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Robert Pearlman
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On Wednesday (May 1), NASA began distributing a document titled "Why Gateway?" summarizes why NASA thinks a space station near the moon is critical to human exploration. It was first shared internally by the Gateway program office at Johnson Space Center in Houston. The document can be read here via Ars Technica.
NASA is developing a two-phased approach to quickly return humans to the Moon and establish a sustainable presence in orbit and on the surface. The two phases run in parallel, and both have already begun.

Phase 1 is driven exclusively by the administration’s priority to land the next American man and the first American woman on the Moon by 2024. In this phase, NASA and its industry partners will develop and deploy two Gateway components: the Power and Propulsion Element (PPE) that will launch in 2022, and a minimal habitation capability that will launch in 2023. Both will launch on commercial rockets. This initial Gateway configuration represents the beginning of its capability buildup, and the primary components required to support the first human expedition to the lunar South Pole.

Phase 2 is focused on advancing the technologies that will foster a sustainable presence on and around the Moon – a lasting and productive presence enabled by reusable systems, access for a diverse body of contributing partners, and repeatable trips to multiple destinations across the lunar surface.

While the Gateway is the first of its kind to be funded, the concept has been proposed for decades as a necessary and foundational capability for a sustainable return to the Moon, and a port for vehicles embarking to farther destinations. It supports every tenet of Space Policy Directive 1 and the infrastructure it provides is critical to an accelerated return to the Moon.

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posted 05-13-2019 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From President Donald Trump on Twitter:
Under my Administration, we are restoring NASA to greatness and we are going back to the Moon, then Mars. I am updating my budget to include an additional $1.6 billion so that we can return to Space in a BIG WAY!
From NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine on Twitter:
Big NASA news! The President has submitted an FY2020 budget amendment that provides an increase of $1.6 billion for our Moon 2024 efforts. We are going.

This is the down payment NASA needs to move forward with design, development and exploration. It includes funding for:

  • Human lunar landing system
  • SLS and Orion
  • Exploration technologies
  • Robotic exploration of the Moon's polar regions
While there are many steps ahead in the budget and appropriations process, this is an exciting time to be a part of the NASA family!

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NASA release
America to the Moon by 2024

NASA's FY 2020 Budget Amendment Summary

The President challenged NASA to land the first American woman and next American man at the South Pole of the Moon by 2024, followed by a sustained presence on the Moon by 2028.
This FY 2020 budget amendment provides an increase of $1.6 billion above the President's initial $21 billion budget request to accelerate our return to the lunar surface. This additional investment is a down payment on NASA's efforts to land humans on the Moon by 2024, and is required to achieve that bold objective. It's the boost NASA needs to move forward with design, development and exploration.
For 60 years, American investment in NASA has yielded innumerable returns through advances in science, technology, medicine, education and industry. Exploring the Moon helps us create a vibrant future:

  • Establishes American leadership and strategic presence
  • Proves technologies, capabilities and new business approaches for future missions to Mars
  • Leads groundbreaking science about the Moon and the solar system
  • Inspires a new generation, and encourages careers in STEM
  • Drives development of technologies of the future
  • Expands U.S. global economic impact; and
  • Grows U.S. industry and international partnerships.
Budget Amendment Breakdown

This is a good budget amendment for NASA, on top of a strong initial budget request. It adds funding for deep space exploration, science and technology. Outside of descoping Gateway capabilities, no NASA programs were cut:

  • Human Lunar Landing System: This budget includes $1 billion to enable NASA to begin supporting the development of commercial human lunar landing systems three years earlier than previously envisioned to bring humans to the Moon's surface by 2024.
    • This acquisition strategy will allow NASA to purchase an integrated commercial lunar lander that will transport astronauts from lunar orbit to the lunar surface and back.

    • Focusing Gateway development on capabilities needed to support a lunar landing of 2024 allowed a scope reduction of $321 million. This budget amendment shifts potential development of additional Gateway capabilities into the future.

  • Space Launch System Rocket and Orion Spacecraft: With an additional $651 million for SLS and Orion, this budget supports the most powerful rocket in the world and our new spacecraft to ultimately take the astronauts to the staging point for reaching the lunar surface, the Gateway in lunar orbit.

  • Exploration Technology: An additional $132 million for technologies that will support NASA to advance key precursor capabilities on the lunar surface. This includes various exploration technologies like solar electric propulsion and a demonstration converting polar ice to water.

  • Science: An augmentation of $90 million to enable increased robotic exploration of the Moon's polar regions in advance of a human mission.
We Are Going Together

To land American astronauts on the Moon by 2024, we are working through the acquisition approach for the various projects. Our efforts will include new work at NASA centers to provide the key technologies and scientific payloads needed for the lunar surface, adding to efforts already underway across the country.

To achieve our goals, we will not go forward alone. Strong commercial partnerships will accelerate our human exploration plans. International partners also remain a vital part of our lunar plan and will contribute to the goal of creating a sustained lunar presence by 2028.

Going forward, additional funds will be required in the 2020s, and a refined estimate will be submitted as part of the FY 2021 President's budget request.

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The Trump administration is hoping to shift money for Pell Grants for college education to fund new spending, including $1.6 billion for NASA, reports the Associated Press.
Officials insisted the re-allocation of the Pell Grant money would have no impact on those receiving grants, which help low-income students pay for college.

"This does not cut any spending for Pell Grant programs as the budget continues to ensure all students will get their full Pell Grant and keeps the program on sound fiscal footing," Office of Management and Budget spokesman Wesley Denton said in a statement.

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I hope that VP Pence is correct. I would like to see a return to the Moon in my lifetime. I also would like to see China succeed with their plans. It is only 60 months from now.

Has Buzz Aldrin commented on the 5-year plan to return to the Moon?

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Aldrin supported Pence's goal while calling for a renewed push towards Mars in a May 1, 2019 op-ed for The Washington Post:
Last month, Vice President Pence announced that we are headed back to the moon. I am with him, in spirit and aspiration. Having been there, I can say it is high time we returned. When Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and I went to the moon 50 years ago this July, we did so with a mission. Apollo 11 aimed to prove America's can-do commitment to space exploration, as well as its national security and technological superiority. We did all that. We also "Came in Peace for all Mankind." More of that is needed now.

Today, many nations have eyes for the moon, from China and Russia to friends in Europe and Middle East. That is all good. The United States should cooperate — and offer itself as a willing team leader — in exploring every aspect of the moon, from its geology and topography to its hydrology and cosmic history. In doing so, we can take "low-Earth orbit" cooperation to the moon, openly, eagerly and collegially.

Meanwhile, another looming orb — the red one — should become a serious focus of U.S. attention. Mars is waiting to be discovered, not by clever robots and rovers — though I support NASA's unmanned missions — but by living, breathing, walking, talking, caring and daring men and women.

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posted 06-07-2019 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And then again, maybe not...

From President Donald Trump on Twitter today (June 7):

For all of the money we are spending, NASA should NOT be talking about going to the Moon - We did that 50 years ago. They should be focused on the much bigger things we are doing, including Mars (of which the Moon is a part), Defense and Science!
(If you're wondering why Trump would tweet such a thing, he was watching Fox.)

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posted 06-07-2019 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steven Kaplan   Click Here to Email Steven Kaplan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...including Mars (of which the Moon is a part)
Can any of our members explain this comment? Thank you.

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As noted, he was watching Fox and presumably badly paraphrased NASA chief financial officer Jeff DeWit's comments about the moon being part of NASA's efforts to send humans to Mars.

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But he still wants us to land, presumably on Mars now, by 2024. Right?

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NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine's response to the President (via Twitter):
As the President said, NASA is using the moon to send humans to Mars! Right now, Curiosity and InSight are on Mars and will soon be joined by the Mars 2020 rover and the Mars helicopter.

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I don't think this clarification helps much.

We do not get FOX, or know how this shapes the context of these statements, I will leave it to others to explain to me what this all means. Is the trip back to the moon still on?

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From SpaceNews:
Trump’s tweet took the space community by surprise. There was no indication prior to that tweet that the White House was reconsidering the goal of returning humans to the moon by 2024, or at all. A human lunar return has been national policy since President Trump signed Space Policy Directive 1 in December 2017...

A White House official, speaking on background, argued that Mars has always been the long-term goal of the administration. "We have asked Congress for additional resources to get to the Moon by 2024, which will enable us to get to Mars roughly a decade after creating a sustainable presence on the lunar surface," the official said.

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NASA will need an estimated $20 billion to $30 billion over the next five years for its moon project, NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine told CNN Business on Thursday (June 13).
That would mean adding another $4 billion to $6 billion per year, on average, to the agency's budget, which is already expected to be about $20 billion annually.

Bridenstine's remarks are the first time that NASA has shared a total cost estimate for its moon program, which is called Artemis (after the Greek goddess of the moon) and could send people to the moon for the first time in half a century...

The $20 to $30 billion cost estimate is less expensive than some had predicted — though they're not necessarily the final figures. Bridenstine acknowledged that spaceflight can be dangerous and unpredictable, so it's practically impossible to settle on an accurate price tag.

"We're negotiating within the administration," he said. "We're talking to [the federal Office of Management and Budget]; we're talking to the National Space Council."


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