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Topic: Member poll: NASA's new vision - Hooray or Boo?
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SpaceAholic
Member Posts: 5246
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-16-2010 08:08 PM
   
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
...the majority didn't support going to the Moon in 1961.
The majority of those Boo's were not advocates of a robust HSF program (unlike members of this forum). |
Greggy_D
Member Posts: 1007
From: Michigan
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 04-16-2010 08:10 PM
BOO |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 50516
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-16-2010 08:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by SpaceAholic:
The majority of those Boo's were not advocates of a robust HSF program (unlike members of this forum).
The majority (who had a say in the matter) once thought that earth orbit rendezvous was the only way to go to the Moon, and all of them were advocates of a robust HSF program. |
cspg
Member Posts: 6347
From: Geneva, Switzerland
Registered: May 2006
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posted 04-16-2010 11:54 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Delta7:
Neither. I've adopted a wait-and-see attitude.
Same here. The last time a scenario where all the eggs are placed in one basket, we were lucky to have three additional baskets (shuttle).
Take the ISS out of the picture (has to be abandoned in six months) and all human spaceflight, current and future comes to a grinding halt: for NASA, the "commercial" sector and Russia. So some of the "Hoorays" want to remain anonymous - any explanation? |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 50516
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-17-2010 12:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by cspg:
So some of the "Hoorays" want to remain anonymous - any explanation?
Comments have ranged from "I just don't want to be part of the banter," to the perception that other members are waiting and "ready to quote and criticize any positive postings." |
ejectr
Member Posts: 1961
From: Killingly, CT
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 04-17-2010 06:12 AM
That's silly. This is a forum, not an inquisition. |
history in miniature
Member Posts: 622
From: Slatington, PA
Registered: Mar 2009
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posted 04-17-2010 06:37 AM
Boo, I think! |
SpaceAholic
Member Posts: 5246
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-17-2010 07:40 AM
quote:
Originally posted by ejectr:
This is a forum, not an inquisition.
Who are you to say?Sincerely -
Torquemada |
ejectr
Member Posts: 1961
From: Killingly, CT
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 04-17-2010 09:56 AM
quote:
Originally posted by SpaceAholic:
Sincerely - Torquemada
LOL! |
Whizzospace
Member Posts: 110
From: San Antonio, TX
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 04-17-2010 10:14 AM
A cautious, highly caveated, Yay. As long as we ACTUALLY leave Earth orbit in a manned spacecraft, regardless of destination, I can be happy with this approach. |
Apollo Redux
Member Posts: 346
From: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Registered: Sep 2006
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posted 04-17-2010 05:46 PM
A total farce. |
Fezman92
Member Posts: 1031
From: New Jersey, USA
Registered: Mar 2010
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posted 04-17-2010 08:48 PM
The problem I have with all of this is that there are no real details or a real time table. It's all to vague for me. So I guess I'll say 'eh' until I hear more. |
328KF
Member Posts: 1388
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Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 04-17-2010 08:49 PM
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!  |
capoetc
Member Posts: 2337
From: McKinney TX (USA)
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 04-18-2010 01:32 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
Far more formal polls than this one conducted at the time showed that the majority didn't support going to the Moon in 1961. In fact, the majority didn't support going to the Moon for all the years leading up to the landing. Were all those "boo's" wrong?
Roger Launius' paper "Public Opinion Polls and Perceptions of US Human Spaceflight", published in Space Policy magazine vol 19 (2003), pgs. 163–175, shows 1960's Gallup polling data. The data indicate that public support of Apollo was not directly linked to public support of funding for Apollo.Between 1963 and 1968, the lowest public opinion numbers for those who "Approve of Apollo" was 58% (1968), and the highest was 78% (1966). During the same time frame, in answering the question, "Should the government fund (italics added) human trips to the moon?", the poll numbers only went above 40% once (1965, 43%). This example demonstrates why it is very, very dangerous to over-emphasize polling numbers when making public policy decisions; the form of the question asked, and even the venue and means by which the question is asked, can influence the data. "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics." (Attributed to Mark Twain, who said the quote came from Benjamin Disraeli, but many historians believe it should be attributed to Sir Charles Dilke... for what it's worth). Oh, by the way... boo. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 50516
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-18-2010 01:38 AM
quote:
Originally posted by capoetc:
...why it is very, very dangerous to over-emphasize polling numbers
Thank you for underscoring what I was trying to point out: just because there may be more 'boos' than 'hoorays,' it does not translate to the 'boos' automatically being right... or even representative of the real feelings of this forum's members. |
Matt T
Member Posts: 1372
From: Chester, Cheshire, UK
Registered: May 2001
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posted 04-18-2010 02:52 AM
In fairness I chose boo & hooray for precisely that reason - I think they give a chance to express feelings or gut reaction better than a more complex question. People wanting shades of grey or deeper analysis can use the other threads.Let the polling continue! |
tegwilym
Member Posts: 2339
From: Sturgeon Bay, WI
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 04-18-2010 12:34 PM
Pretty much what we have heard the last few months, but confirmed with a few extra twists. Looks about as realistic as Tang on Apollo!I'm trying to be hopeful, but still unsure about it all. I'll have to go with. BOOOOOO! 
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Orthon
Member Posts: 144
From: San Tan Valley, Arizona 85143
Registered: May 2002
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posted 04-18-2010 06:58 PM
Boo. Instead of a gradual transition, we have an extreme change in direction that will certainly take much longer than the optimistic predictions. |
413 is in
Member Posts: 690
From: Alexandria, VA USA
Registered: May 2006
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posted 04-19-2010 03:13 PM
How do you say "BOO" in Russian? |
Matt T
Member Posts: 1372
From: Chester, Cheshire, UK
Registered: May 2001
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posted 04-19-2010 05:20 PM
Booski |
Blackarrow
Member Posts: 3604
From: Belfast, United Kingdom
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 04-19-2010 07:40 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
...just because there may be more 'boos' than 'hoorays,' it does not translate to the 'boos' automatically being right... or even representative of the real feelings of this forum's members.
I entirely agree that the way a question in a poll is worded can skew the result: so when a member of the public who has been thinking about tonight's date, or problems at work, or holiday plans, is asked a question by a pollster, the answer given may be capricious or unthinking. BUT if you put a question to a body of opinion with a significant degree of knowledge about the subject, and enough interest in, and understanding of, that subject to bother participating voluntarily in a poll in a specialist forum like this, the poll results must be far more representative of people with knowledge of the subject under discussion. In other words, we are a special interest group and the views expressed are more likely to give an accurate reflection of our collective opinion. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 50516
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-19-2010 08:26 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Blackarrow:
In other words, we are a special interest group and the views expressed are more likely to give an accurate reflection of our collective opinion.
Yes, I agree; individual views are likely to be more accurate. That said, the group view may be skewed because members may not desire to stand out or oppose the perceived majority. My general experience with online forums has been that whatever emerges as the quick majority, remains the majority regardless of how the rest of the readership thinks because it's easier and/or more comfortable to stay quiet than voice a counter opinion and risk ridicule. It doesn't mean both sides won't be represented -- there are always those who will speak out -- but unless the poll is conducted anonymously, the tallies themselves can and often do skew the results. |
Ami
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posted 04-21-2010 12:53 PM
Booo!!!! I'd rather walk on the moon than visit an asteroid. |
E2M Lem Man
Member Posts: 846
From: Los Angeles CA. USA
Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 04-22-2010 10:11 PM
Booo! No real goals or targets and no ideas about budgets. Goals will be after 2015?? Really Boo! |
dks13827
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posted 05-04-2010 01:16 PM
See the laws of physics. A Cessna 182 now is the same as a 1960 model, enhanced of course. Same for cars, airlines, and so on. |
sts205cdr
Member Posts: 746
From: Sacramento, CA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 05-04-2010 08:37 PM
Boo! |
chappy
Member Posts: 231
From: Cardiff, S. Wales, UK
Registered: Apr 2006
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posted 05-30-2010 03:02 AM
BOO! |
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