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Robert Pearlman
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posted 07-16-2022 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which San Diego newspaperman did John Glenn get to spike another astronaut's scandalous story? From David Smollar in the San Diego Reader:
...a sordid Tijuana sexual escapade that could have cratered the [Mercury 7] astronauts' wholesome image stayed secret — the result of connivance between a newspaper and future space hero John Glenn, who in 1962 became the first American to orbit the earth. Six decades later, both the paper and journalists involved remain unidentified, and an accounting of the newspaper's role has never surfaced, even as other major pieces of the story have slowly emerged through histories, biographies, and memoirs of the space program's first years. ...

Over the 63-year span since the week at Kona Kai, Glenn's two recountings remain the sole source for information about the newspaper incident in every book that repeats the story. In 23 oral histories conducted with him between 1996 and 2009 at Ohio State University, the interviewers never asked about the Kona Kai week. Glenn died in 2016, having never publicly disclosed the identity of the journalists or the newspaper, other than to say it was a "leading West Coast" daily. If he privately gave those details to the five other astronauts at the Kona Kai, none ever repeated it for the record.

Gordon Eliot Reade
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posted 07-26-2022 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gordon Eliot Reade   Click Here to Email Gordon Eliot Reade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That story was recounted in Jeff Shesol's excellent book "Mercury Rising." Reading it I felt anger. John Glenn was suppose to represent and stand for American values. What could be more American than freedom of the press? We were told that it was the Soviets who stifled free speech, not us.

That unnamed reporter who sat on the story never received 1% of the fame and adulation given to Glenn or any of the other Astronauts. I think he should've gone ahead and done his job. Rather than being cowed by a famous man I think he should've printed the account and the photos and let the chips fall where they may. If it killed the program so be it. We would've known who to blame.

Paul78zephyr
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posted 07-29-2022 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul78zephyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting article Robert - thank you for posting it.
This whole episode has always had me scratching my head. Yes Glenn was acting (and fibbing) in 'self preservation' for the whole program but it must have erked him to a huge extent to know that ultimately he was saving the bacon of someone he loathed.

Paul78zephyr
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posted 07-29-2022 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul78zephyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way, with regards to Smollar's article -
On September 19, 1959, six of America's first spacemen settled in at the Kona Kai Club...
The picture would indicate that it was Slayton that was not there. Anyone know why?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 07-29-2022 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The photos in the article show only six of the astronauts at the air field and the Convair plant. Deke Slayton is missing from the images.

Grounded!
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posted 07-29-2022 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Grounded!   Click Here to Email Grounded!     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gordon Eliot Reade:
Rather than being cowed by a famous man I think he should've printed the account and the photos and let the chips fall where they may. If it killed the program so be it. We would've known who to blame.
So... following this stream of logic, It would have been reasonable to "out" the person for his moral lapse, damage the Mercury program, effect public support and probably impact our goal of putting a man on the moon?

John Glenn knew what he was doing.

ejectr
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posted 07-30-2022 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ejectr   Click Here to Email ejectr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To each his own and everyone to their own opinion..but, come on man! Wake up and smmell the coffee. Was it worth decimating the whole program over one incident that was really nobody's business? The man had two people to be true to. Himself and his wife. He didn't owe the people of the nation a thing. They paid for the job...he accepted it.

Gordon Eliot Reade
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posted 07-30-2022 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gordon Eliot Reade   Click Here to Email Gordon Eliot Reade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Grounded!:
John Glenn knew what he was doing.
It all comes down to one question. Do you believe that the USA should have a free press or not?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 07-30-2022 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nothing Glenn did encroached on anyone's free speech or a free press. He didn't threaten to shut down the newspaper or bring harm to the journalist. He expressed his opinion and the publisher agreed.

Free speech is not one-sided. Glenn had the same right to voice his concern as the journalist had to write his article. The publisher did his job by weighing both sides and picking what he thought was best for the newspaper and for the nation.

Jonnyed
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posted 07-30-2022 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jonnyed   Click Here to Email Jonnyed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
Free speech is not one-sided. Glenn had the same right to voice his concern as the journalist had to write his article.

Precisely correct. Freedom of speech in the US Constitution is concerned with the force of law and government authority. The constitutional right is about limiting government regulation and government quashing of speech. It does not apply to individuals engaged in debate or disagreement.

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posted 07-30-2022 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hbw60   Click Here to Email hbw60     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally, I don't think such a scandal would have sunk the US space program. Too much money had been invested into it already, and I don't think the American public would want the whole program canceled just because one of their astronauts got caught in a sex scandal. My guess is that Shepard would have been fired, and the program would have continued. The US government wouldn't have allowed their rocket technology to wane, while the Soviets made increasingly better rockets capable of delivering nuclear bombs anywhere on the globe. So if the space program was cancelled, that work would have been continued on a purely military basis. And from a PR perspective, asking the American public to spend billions on a space program is much easier than asking them to spend billions on world-ending weaponry.

Of course, there's no way of knowing what would have happened if the story had gone public. But I wish it had. I know I'd prefer a space program without Alan Shepard. He abused the program more than any other astronaut. I'm sure most of the astronauts had big egos, but his was on another level. And he used his temporary medical grounding to get obscenely rich, and then waltzed back into the program and placed himself first in line for a lunar landing. He personally robbed more deserving astronauts of their chance to walk on the moon. No other astronaut would have been allowed to command a lunar landing without even having been to orbit.

There's no denying that he was a capable, talented, and gutsy astronaut. I admire a lot of things about him. But I think he was a horrible representative of the space program. And it burns me up that someone so distasteful was able to leech so much personal gain from the program, often at the expense of others.

carmelo
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posted 08-01-2022 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carmelo   Click Here to Email carmelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We talk about of a era in which certain stories remained under the carpet. Oh, come on, even the President of United States (one of one of the most beloved President of ever) had a lot of escapades... everyone knew no one spoke not even his political opponents.

The worst wrong you can do to history is to demand that the men of the past must have the mentality of today.

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posted 08-01-2022 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 328KF   Click Here to Email 328KF     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by carmelo:
The worst wrong you can do to history is to demand that the men of the past must have the mentality of today.
We need a “like” button on here Robert! I’ve said this many times in different words. We can’t judge historical figures by today’s standards.

hbw60
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posted 08-01-2022 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hbw60   Click Here to Email hbw60     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree that historical figures should generally be judged by the standards of their own times, not by the ethics of today.

But I don't think that applies to Shepard. If anything, it's the other way around. In the Mercury era, marriage vows meant a lot more than they do today. Cheating on a spouse was more of a shocking scandal than it is now, and divorce was still a major taboo. So if we judge Shepard by today's standards, it's actually less of a scandal than it would have been back then.

And the distasteful things about Shepard aren't affected by the changing standards of society. He was widely disliked by many of his peers in his own time. He was known for being hostile to the Gemini/Apollo astronauts. He refused to serve on backup crews and he didn't train as hard as the others, but he still wanted to be seen as the top astronaut. And when he returned to flight status and placed himself at the front of the line for a lunar landing, most of his peers were outraged. He was admired for his abilities, but also disliked for his personality.

It's true that historical figures should be judged by the standards of their own times. But that doesn't mean they're above criticism. Shepard put the future of the space program at risk, and he contributed very little to the program (while taking every possible thing he could from it). And all of that damage was inflicted because he valued fame, fortune, and partying over his responsibilities and ethics. And that's just as unpleasant today as it was in 1959.

MartinAir
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posted 08-01-2022 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MartinAir   Click Here to Email MartinAir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not an expert, but Shepard won the peer vote for the first US manned space flight and was scheduled to command the first Gemini flight. Was grounded, entered a private sector and succeeded. Underwent a risky procedure and overcame the meniere's disease, so I wouldn't call him the worst choice for an Apollo mission...

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posted 08-01-2022 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hbw60   Click Here to Email hbw60     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope I'm not being overly negative. We're all members of this forum because we love space history, and I don't want to dampen that. I consider you all friends, and I love visiting this site.

And I don't want to focus all of that negativity on Shepard specifically. He was certainly not the only astronaut to cheat on his wife, use his status to get rich, or do whatever it takes to defeat his fellow astronauts for a ticket to the moon. So it's unfair to completely single him out.

A lot of my distaste for him comes from a personal bias. I've always been a shy and reserved person. And so I naturally dislike being around extroverted or arrogant people.

A few years ago, I went to SpaceFest for the first time. The first astronaut I met was Al Worden. I shook his hand and told him that it was an honor to meet him. He was very friendly, but I could sense his discomfort at how formal I was. Al was a vibrant life-of-the-party type of man, and I'm a timid bookish geek. I was thrilled to meet him, but it was a short conversation and I left feeling a bit embarrassed.

Later, I met Michael Collins, who's a much closer match to my personality type. And I got along with him so well. We talked about Gemini 10, and his artwork, and the Smithsonian, and it was so enjoyable.

But I know there are people here who had exactly the opposite experience. They had a polite little meeting with Collins, but their favorite stories are about spending time with Worden, or Schirra, or Conrad.

So it's largely a matter of perspective. When I look at Shepard, I see an arrogant selfish leech on the program. But others will look at him and see a man whose sheer motivation to be the best made him a natural leader and a fearless adventurer. And neither opinion is either wrong or right. We all project our personal values onto the people we learn about. And I'm sorry for getting a bit too speechy about my own biases in this thread.

carmelo
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posted 08-02-2022 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for carmelo   Click Here to Email carmelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cheating on a spouse (or also a divorce) was a scandal, but just for this there was a double standard. Until marriage was not questioned, until a family was not broken, the man could have his escapades, and nobody had nothing to complain about.

If Shepard (or another guy) not leave his wife, or not cause scandal showing up in public with another woman as was his partner they were just pranks, mischief, nothing of serious.

Now, if this is the way of feeling of your time, you put in danger the interests of your country for a mischief? What are you, a communist? A damn radical? At best you are not a patriot, a good American.

This must have gone through the mind of that editor after chat with Glenn.

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