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Robert Pearlman
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posted 09-04-2018 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"This American Life" producer David Kestenbaum spoke with Gemini and Apollo astronaut Frank Borman for a 20-minute segment titled, "So Over The Moon" (Act One of Episode 655: "The Not-So-Great Unknown").
Producer David Kestenbaum tells the story of an astronaut who returns with a very unexpected view of the great beyond.

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posted 09-05-2018 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ea757grrl   Click Here to Email ea757grrl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you very much for posting that link. Much of it is vintage Borman, being frank as ever. But there is a surprise or two along the way. And the ending is...powerful.

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posted 09-05-2018 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bwhite1976   Click Here to Email bwhite1976     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This was wonderful. Please take some time out of your day to listen to this.

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posted 09-05-2018 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oly   Click Here to Email oly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for posting, very interesting.

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posted 09-06-2018 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Panther494   Click Here to Email Panther494     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for posting this. Refreshing, beautiful and sad.

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posted 09-06-2018 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glint   Click Here to Email Glint     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"The last thing I would have wanted on my crew was a poet." - Frank Borman

Well said!

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posted 09-07-2018 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jonnyed   Click Here to Email Jonnyed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It sure is interesting to imagine the contrast between the quotes and observations of Borman and the kind of quotes and observations you might have gotten out of an astronaut like Gus Grissom on the Apollo 8 mission.

Both amazing guys but so different in expression.

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While Frank Borman has always stated that he was primarily interested in "beating the Russians" during the cold ware era, and he does come across as an uncomplicated man, he was involved in some major events and significant milestones, and has previously shown more than the level of interest that he states in such things today, indicating that he is more complicated than he has previously let on.

In many interviews from early post Apollo days, he sang a similar tune to the status quo, perhaps he tired of the same questions and answers sooner that others, only he knows.

I doubt he would have been chosen as the astronaut representative on the Apollo 1 investigation, and give evidence to hearings, if he did not fully understand and appreciate significance of the job at hand. Saying that, our perspective of said job differs from the time, and the program has been analysed, politicized and romanticized since.

I like to think he is of similar traits as Neil Armstrong, where the flying meant more than the exploring.

The speaking circuit would also not show as much interest in an uncomplicated man as it would someone with a tale of adventure to tell rather just saying, I wanted to beat the Russians.

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My perspective, for what it's worth: Flying to the moon mattered, but it was only one part of a busy and productive life (Air Force pilot, airline executive, businessman, aircraft owner and restorer, etc.), and the experience looks different to him than it does to the rest of us, and maybe at the age of 90 he's just a little weary because he's been asked about it so much. We praise Apollo 8 (and justly so), but we didn't have to make the sacrifices he did or put in the work he did, or have our families make the sacrifices his did. That's especially poignant when you hear him talk about how nothing matters to him as much as his family, or why his family wasn't there for the Apollo 8 launch, and if you've read "Countdown" you know what he's written about how his dedication to his work came at a cost.

Since Apollo 8 he's been defined by that flight's achievement, and I know he appreciates the flight's historical significance. But during the segment I wondered if Borman wishes folks would talk to him about anything other than spaceflight. It's on something like talking about his favorite movie that you hear him engage in a neat way you don't expect.

Of course, the most poignant aspects are when he talks about his family, especially as he looks back over his 90 years, and it gets driven home in a rather profound manner toward the end of the segment.

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posted 09-08-2018 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ea757grrl:
But during the segment I wondered if Borman wishes folks would talk to him about anything other than spaceflight.
I've never understood why, in general, interviewers seem so disinterested in talking to astronauts about things other than their spaceflights. Talk show hosts question "celebrities" about other stuff all the time. Astronauts are smart, motivated people, and (the retired ones especially) probably could pass on some interesting view points and amusing stories.

Typically a journalist will then come back with a vague feeling of disappointment that they haven't really heard anything new. Well you won't will you if you're the millionth person to ask the guy or gal exactly the same questions!

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Many years ago a newspaper reporter conducted an interview with Chuck Yeager and took a flight in a small plane with him. During the interview the same points got hit that come up in any Yeager interview. Yeager responded predictably. The takeaway was that Yeager was an irritable old guy. I thought to myself, "Well, if what you said you asked him is any indication, what did you expect?" The stories are legion about Yeager not being the easiest guy to interact with, and asking him the same questions isn't gonna cut much ice.

I felt sorry for the reporter, but I also thought "were it me, I'd have mixed it up some." In my case, since I know Yeager's a big outdoorsman, I'd have talked to him a little about what his favorite hunting rifle is, or something like that. It's a basic reporting tool I teach my students: try to find some way to connect, preferably in a way that's pleasantly unexpected. It helps in ways both practical and personal, especially if you're talking to someone who's talked about a given thing a hundred times before.

Somewhat related, a few weeks ago we watched "The Last Man on the Moon," the really neat documentary about Gene Cernan. The documentary itself was nice, but my favorite part of the DVD was in the bonus scenes. That "day in the life of Gene Cernan" short, showing him tending to chores on the farm, going to the feed store, having lunch at his favorite cafe, was genuinely touching. Especially when he talked about how at that cafe, he was treated like just another of the locals and nobody made a fuss over him. That spoke volumes, and it was... moving, somehow.

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posted 09-09-2018 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jonnyed   Click Here to Email Jonnyed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"The last thing I would have wanted on my crew was a poet." - Frank Borman

I'd like to think that Borman's rather harsh sentiment on poets was primarily due to the tight interior and reduced space of the capsule, that necessarily limited the number of the crew, and not to the virtues of poetry!

As Shelley wrote in "Defence of Poetry," poets are "...the unacknowledged legislators of mankind," and that poetry is, "...at once the centre and circumference of knowledge."

As is well known, the Apollo 8 astronauts read from Genesis, in a sense reading some of mankind's oldest "poetry" right there for the first time away from our planet. Poetry is appropriate to space travel!

I suspect that Alan Bean — of course a well- known artist himself — would not have had such a harsh thought as Borman's... admittedly not going as far as having Allen Ginsberg suit up next to him in a WSS!

I offer this post as an engineer because it pays better than being a poet.

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