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Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-22-2018 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by p51:
I wonder how smart it was for her career to do the interview...
Jeanette Epps also did an interview with Jill Petzinger of Quartz, where she was asked, "Is NASA cool with you talking about what happened?"
This is part of my job. I have to do PR, it’s part of my performance appraisal. I have to get out, I have to train, I have to do outreach — our job is really to inspire people. Even though my story is different, it has to be told and I think it only helps younger people who have never experienced anything harsh to realize that things can happen and how you respond is way more important than what happened.

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posted 06-22-2018 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for issman1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think a social media campaign ought to be mounted to pressure the NASA management in Houston for Ms. Epps to get an immediate ISS flight assignment.

What I find weird is that she says in one of the interviews that despite a decade in the Astronaut Corps, additional training for an EVA was needed. Excuse me for being confused, but haven't ISS crew members routinely trained for unplanned EVAs? This argument seems bogus.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-22-2018 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As no one but NASA management knows the details, it is impossible to declare anything "bogus" (or justified).

It is understandable why people want to speculate, but it really serves little good. NASA is not going to act based on what others speculate is the reason.

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posted 06-22-2018 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 328KF   Click Here to Email 328KF     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Her entire explanation is suspect to me. It wasn't a medical issue, family issue, and the Russians were not responsible. A few cosmonauts even argued against her removal, and the cost of her training and custom equipment is not inconsequential.

So she identifies NASA management as making the call. Which leads to the question of why she is even still with the agency? If her management found her unable to perform the mission and removed her in historic fashion, why would they find her fit to fly in the future?

It seems more plausible that high-level leadership in Russia had some reason for her not to fly, and that was passed to high-level leadership in the U.S. and down to the Astronaut Office.

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posted 06-23-2018 02:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for issman1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
NASA is not going to act based on what others speculate is the reason.
I do not expect them to act unless it snowballs.

But NASA PAO did make a big fuss about the fact Ms. Epps would have been the first African-American astronaut on a long-duration mission.

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posted 06-23-2018 02:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since we do not know the reason for her removal, why would anyone sign a petition?

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posted 06-23-2018 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Skylon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since the only situation I can think of that was comparable is Mark Lee's removal from STS-98, did anyone get a sense of his public presence after his removal from the flight until his retirement in 2001?

NASA clearly took the public position that he was still "eligible" for flight, but the news sources from the time picked up that he was out of favor with management in some way. Here, with Epps there is no sense of that.

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posted 06-24-2018 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fra Mauro   Click Here to Email Fra Mauro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Imagine what might have happened if there was social media in the early 70s and Engle replaced Mitchell on Apollo 14?

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posted 06-26-2018 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find it very hard to believe that NASA would pull her from the mission and give no explanation why. Most likely, she was given an explanation (or at least an indication of what the reasons are), but isn't obligated to share that with others. If the reason had to do with her performance, for example, it's not something she would likely want to make public, nor does it serve NASA any good by saying "she wasn't ready to fly."

Interestingly, she didn't rule out sexism or racism as a reason for her removal. She kind of talked around that question, but still left it on the table. From a PR standpoint, that can't sit well with NASA management.

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posted 06-26-2018 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NASA has never been transparent about its crew assignment decisions, internally or externally. Many astronauts cannot tell you why they were assigned to a particular mission or were passed over for another.

Granted, this is a different situation than others, but it would not be out of character for the agency and its management to be vague when it comes to such decisions.

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posted 10-30-2018 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From SpacePolicyOnline.com:
NASA astronaut Jeanette Epps reiterated today that she does not know why she was removed from her mission to the International Space Station (ISS). Epps was training in Russia for the Expedition 56/57 mission that launched in June on Soyuz MS-09 when she was informed that she would not fly after all. She was replaced by Serena Auñón-Chancellor.

Epps would have been the first African-American on a long-duration ISS expedition mission.

Speaking at a CSIS event this evening, she said her removal was a "management decision" that she does not yet understand and "we are still working through it." Asked if it was racially motivated or if the Russians were involved, she emphasized that her training was going well and her work with the Russians was "very friendly and very warm. … I wouldn't say that the Russians had anything to do with this. … In my opinion I don't think that they did. Whether race played an issue, I don't know what's in the mind of other people, I can't say that, oh, definitely, or anything like that. So I'm not quite sure of the reasons myself. I do see a lot in the media of people speculating, but it is all speculation at this point."

She has not been assigned to another mission yet, but is hopeful that's in her future.

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posted 10-30-2018 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delta7   Click Here to Email Delta7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That just doesn't make sense. I have never witnessed or heard of a professional situation where a highly competent and trained professional is suddenly and without explanation pulled of a job they were hired to do. And still have no clue as to why six months later even though they're still employed there.

You'd think she'd be entitled to SOME kind of explanation. I for one would demand one. Why would they hide the reason from her, legitimate or bad? There has got to be more to the story.

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posted 10-30-2018 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ashot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Delta7:
I have never witnessed or heard of a professional situation where a highly competent and trained professional is suddenly and without explanation pulled of a job they were hired to do.
Mark Lee comes to mind...

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posted 10-30-2018 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After 40 years in corporate America, I have seen that many times. Even discussions with individuals years later and they are still unsure why they were removed from their position.

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 10-30-2018 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Delta7:
...suddenly and without explanation pulled of a job they were hired to do.
Pulled off a job and six months later have no clue as to why? Welcome to Corporate America. Speaking for a friend, of course.

Welcome to Corporate America. Entitled to an explanation? No. Demanding one? You'll either get pigeonholed someplace, or the explanation you'll get is. "Be glad you have a job, and be glad you have a job with us." Speaking for a friend, of course.

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posted 10-30-2018 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delta7   Click Here to Email Delta7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ashot:
Mark Lee comes to mind...
Actually Mark Lee was removed from STS-98 for a specific reason. Although I know the reason from a pretty reliable source I don't feel free to share it. Other than back then it was not wise to run afoul of George Abbey or one of his friends.

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posted 10-30-2018 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jimsz   Click Here to Email jimsz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Delta7:
You'd think she'd be entitled to SOME kind of explanation.
How does anyone here know if she were given a reason for the removal or not? We don't. Her employer (NASA) may not be able to comment on what actually took place and caused her removal. There are only her comments to go by.

There is more to this but we may not know what it is. NASA is not going to easily remove an astronaut from a flight after spending huge amounts of money on their training. Reading her ongoing comments some people can make assumptions but that does not mean they are accurate.

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posted 10-30-2018 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dcfowler1   Click Here to Email dcfowler1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Mark Lee incident hasn't been a state secret for quite some time now.

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posted 05-11-2019 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Headshot   Click Here to Email Headshot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is Jeanette Epps still in the astronaut corps? Has she been given a new flight assignment yet?

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posted 05-11-2019 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Epps remains a member of the astronaut office. On Friday (May 10), she took part in a NASA astronaut appearance at the planetarium in Bogotá, Colombia.

There has been no news of a new mission assignment.

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posted 05-12-2019 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eurospace   Click Here to Email eurospace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interestingly enough, a letter sent to her via the Astronaut Office was returned as undelieverable.

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She served as CAPCOM in the first half of the EVA on April 08, 2019.


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