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Paul78zephyr
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posted 07-30-2015 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul78zephyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If Jim Lovell had been Apollo 11 command module pilot as originally planned, would he have ever had the chance to walk on the moon? None of the actual Apollo 11 crew ever flew in space again.

Also do you think he would have been more famous as the Apollo 11 CMP then he ended up being? (By the way, I'm a VERY big Jim Lovell fan.)

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posted 07-30-2015 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wasn't Michael Collins offered a chance to back up Apollo 14, which would have put him in line as commander of Apollo 17?

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posted 07-30-2015 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mach3valkyrie   Click Here to Email mach3valkyrie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's correct. Collins turned it down.

I feel Jim Lovell probably would have taken it, had it been offered.

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posted 07-31-2015 07:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Headshot   Click Here to Email Headshot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agreed, Lovell would have accepted the Apollo 14 backup crew/Apollo 17 prime crew scenario.

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posted 07-31-2015 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Skylon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That does throw an interesting wrench into planning Apollo 11's crew - mainly, the backups. With Borman and Collins both deciding one Apollo flight was enough, who would be backup CDR on 11 and then fly 13?

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posted 07-31-2015 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rusty53     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about Bill Anders? He was the original back-up CMP for Apollo 11. With Lovell out of the picture for Apollo 13 commander, maybe Slayton would have turned to Anders.

Paul78zephyr
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posted 07-31-2015 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul78zephyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So Lovell would have been CDR of Apollo 17? Do you think he would have done the whole 'last man on the moon' thing?

Delta7
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posted 07-31-2015 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delta7   Click Here to Email Delta7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Skylon:
That does throw an interesting wrench into planning Apollo 11's crew - mainly, the backups. With Borman and Collins both deciding one Apollo flight was enough, who would be backup CDR on 11 and then fly 13?

I'm thinking Collins would have re-considered had he flown Apollo 8 instead of 11. The latter was the pinnacle of the program and my thinking is that is what may have caused him to consider it being a good point to call it quits. I'm thinking Collins/Anders/Mitchell as backup crew for Apollo 11 (Haise having likely been assigned to the Apollo 10 backup crew) and Collins/Mattingly/Mitchell flying Apollo 13.

If Collins had been adamant on retiring after Apollo 8, imo Slayton would have talked Borman into backing up Armstrong. Borman/Anders/Mitchell as Apollo 11 backup crew.

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posted 08-01-2015 06:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Paul78zephyr:
Do you think he would have done the whole 'last man on the moon' thing?
I think Lovell would have been an excellent last man, as he has been an exemplary Apollo 13 leader and spokesman, but so is Cernan. Both are gregarious and superb ambassadors for space exploration.

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posted 08-02-2015 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agreed, but I think it's safe to add that Jim Lovell would willingly have donned the mantle of "last man on the Moon."

Fra Mauro
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posted 08-02-2015 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fra Mauro   Click Here to Email Fra Mauro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If Anders was offered a chance to walk on the moon, he likely would've accepted. A reason he left was that he didn't just want to orbit the moon again.

Paul78zephyr
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posted 08-03-2015 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul78zephyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks all. Just to be clear I've got nothing against Gene Cernan — he is a good man. I've always felt so terrible that Jim Lovell never got to walk on the moon. If anyone was deserving (and yes he was given the chance) it was him.

RobertB
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posted 08-07-2015 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RobertB   Click Here to Email RobertB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Similarly, I've always thought that Collins would have been a fantastic Last Man.

CapCom for First Voyage to the moon.
CMP for First Landing.
CDR for Last Landing.

Imagine what a book Carrying the Fire would have been!

Fra Mauro
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posted 08-07-2015 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fra Mauro   Click Here to Email Fra Mauro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm certain that each of us could come up with three astronauts who deserved to leave footprints up there.

Delta7
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posted 08-07-2015 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delta7   Click Here to Email Delta7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My ideal crew made up of those who didn't land on the moon (but were alive and eligible):

CDR: Jim McDivitt
CMP: Vance Brand
LMP: Bill Anders

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