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chappy
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posted 05-23-2013 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chappy   Click Here to Email chappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Had Charles Walker ever applied to join the astronaut corps after he flown three times into space as payload specialist?

Just a thought because once the payload specialist flown into space, they never went up again apart from Charles Walker, Ronald Parise, and Samuel Durrance...

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 05-23-2013 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There were others few PSs who flew more than once, and PSs who underwent the training to MS and flew another flight - Marc Garneau for one comes to mind.

Greggy_D
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posted 05-23-2013 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greggy_D   Click Here to Email Greggy_D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just the opposite, chappy. Charlie told me he applied to an earlier class (either '78 or '80) and did not get selected. It's quite amazing how the stars literally lined up for him after that.

MCroft04
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posted 05-23-2013 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MCroft04   Click Here to Email MCroft04     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did the stars just line up or did Charlie line them up?

dcfowler1
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posted 05-23-2013 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dcfowler1   Click Here to Email dcfowler1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't see that Walker ever made the interview stage, but these PS's did:
  • Jay Buckey 90, 96
  • Joseph Carretto, 84
  • Mary Helen Johnson, 78, 80
  • Stanley Koszelak, 95, 96, 98
  • Byron Lichtenberg, 78, 80
  • Barbara Morgan, 98 (Selected)
  • William Pailes, 87
  • Gary Payton, 85
  • Paul Ronney, 90
  • Paul Schlein, 78
  • Richard Terrile, 78, 80, 84
  • Scott Vangen, 92, 96, 98, 00
  • Millie Hughes-Fulford, 78
  • Bill Williams, 80

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 05-24-2013 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Somewhat related: The Canadians, ESAs, and Japanese all flew as PSs at least once. The Russians, however, all flew as Mission Specialists.

Did someone balk of the idea of Russians as PSs or did they take specialized (and different) training from the Payload Specialists that allowed them to have the title of Mission Specialist?

chappy
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posted 05-26-2013 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for chappy   Click Here to Email chappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks to those who responded to my post. It's interesting to see these comments. Cheers for your help.

MCroft04
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posted 05-26-2013 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MCroft04   Click Here to Email MCroft04     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It seems fortuitous that 14 payload specialists applied for the astronaut corps. It also seems unlikely that their research or career choices then just happened to lead to their selection as payload specialists. Is it possible that following their being declined in the astronaut selection process that they structured their research/career to get a slot on the shuttle?

Jim Behling
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posted 05-26-2013 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Behling   Click Here to Email Jim Behling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, it is exactly that. Their research or career choices did to lead to their selection as payload specialists. That is why they were payload specialists, because of their research. Some were working on their own experiments.

Most applied to be an astronaut after flying as a payload specialist. It wasn't that they were rejected as astronauts and then applied as payload specialist, it was they were payload specialist and they thought they could leverage that into an astronaut slot.

micropooz
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posted 05-26-2013 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for micropooz   Click Here to Email micropooz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't attest to Charlie Walker's applications to be an MS. However, I worked at McDonnell-Douglas Astronautics Co (MDAC) in the early 1980's, and Charlie was infamous for putting in huge unpaid overtime hours on the electrophoresis project. And that seemed to be what helped him get selected by MDAC to be the guy who flew with the experiment...

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