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Delta7
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posted 05-08-2009 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delta7   Click Here to Email Delta7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NASA has re-designed it's Astronaut Biographies website. Among the changes: it no longer classifies astronauts as "Pilots" or "Mission Specialists", and separates out the formerly so-called "Management" astronauts who work in jobs outside of the office.

danpal
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posted 05-09-2009 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for danpal   Click Here to Email danpal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's a little error in the list of Former Astronauts: Kenneth D. Cameron and not Camereon.

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posted 05-09-2009 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Flyboy7077   Click Here to Email Flyboy7077     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It cracks me up that Brian O'Leary is still persona non grata after all this time. Gee NASA, maybe it's time to get over it, it was only a book!

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posted 05-10-2009 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Max Q   Click Here to Email Max Q     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Flyboy7077:
Gee NASA, maybe it's time to get over it, it was only a book!
Okay, this is probably the dumbest question of the year, but what book?

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posted 05-10-2009 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for danpal   Click Here to Email danpal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Making of an Ex-Astronaut, Brian O'Leary, Houghton Mifflin Company, Boston 1970.

Delta7
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posted 05-10-2009 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delta7   Click Here to Email Delta7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't believe that O'Leary's book resulted in him being "blacklisted" by NASA. There's nothing in it to warrant such; it's simply about his brief experience in the astronaut office, and how back in the 60s it wasn't very conducive to using one's scientific abilities. Certainly Walt Cunningham's book has far more "juicier" tidbits about what went on back then, and he's not "banished" by NASA.

Maybe O'Leary requested his bio be removed for whatever reason, or maybe there's some legal situation that caused it. I just can't believe NASA would be that petty, at least in such a publicly visible way.

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posted 05-10-2009 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is my understanding that the book had nothing to do with his biography being omitted.

Delta7
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posted 05-10-2009 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delta7   Click Here to Email Delta7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From Wikipedia:
In March 2001 O'Leary appeared briefly in Fox TV's "Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon," stating that "I can't say 100% for sure whether these men walked on the moon. It is possible that NASA could have covered it up, just in order to cut corners, and to be the first to allegedly go to the moon.
Maybe that had something to do with it. And he IS living in Ecuador now.

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posted 01-28-2010 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While browsing through the JSC website's astronaut bio pages, I noticed something I found both curious and rather amusing: Of all the current and former astronauts listed, only Brian O'Leary's name is not linked to a biography page. Does anyone know of an official, or anecdotal, explanation for this?

Is it simply that O'Leary's infamous memoir of his years at NASA made him persona non grata with the agency? And can we assume he's been airbrushed out of all the official photos, as well?

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posted 01-30-2010 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't know if this helps but the 1971 edition of my booklet 'Manned Spaceflight' notes that Brian T. O'Leary, selected in August 1967 as an astronaut with a doctorate in astronomy, resigned in April 1968 for personal reasons. In the 1973 edition it was noted that he was at Cornell University where he was working on the Venus Fly-By.

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posted 01-31-2010 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jasonelam   Click Here to Email jasonelam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the "Astronaut Fact Book" on the side of the main page, his information is in there. Interesting.

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posted 01-31-2010 03:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just found this on a site:
He left NASA before an official biography was put together for his concurrence and signature on a NASA Privacy Act Form giving NASA permission to make his biography available to the public. Therefore, a biography was never posted online for him.
The web site has this also -
NASA EXPERIENCE: Brian O’Leary was selected as a scientist-astronaut by NASA in August 1967. After completing a Ph.D. thesis on the physical properties of the Martian surface, O'Leary was specifically selected for a potential manned Mars mission when it was still in NASA's program plan. When that program was cancelled in 1968, he resigned from the astronaut program because of lack of prospects for a space flight. During the following decades, his relationship with NASA continued as an academic scientist in unmanned planetary exploration, advanced concepts for space manufacturing of non-terrestrial materials, formulating low-cost scenarios for joint U.S.-Soviet manned missions to Phobos and Mars, and helping NASA design a habitable space station. Most recently, he has investigated advanced antigravity propulsion and free energy concepts as an outside scientist.

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posted 01-31-2010 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delta7   Click Here to Email Delta7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, O'Leary by his own admission left the program after deciding that flying "just wasn't my cup of tea", and dropped out of the USAF flight training program in which he was enrolled (a requirement for non-pilot scientist-astronauts back then).

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posted 01-31-2010 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This begs the question, if flying is an integral part of being an astronaut, why did NASA select him in the first place? Surely, even as late as 1967, there was some screening in place for this.

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posted 01-31-2010 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for issman1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For those interested, here is his website. Perhaps it's best to ask Dr. O'Leary why he resigned.

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posted 01-31-2010 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delta7   Click Here to Email Delta7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by moorouge:
This begs the question, if flying is an integral part of being an astronaut, why did NASA select him in the first place? Surely, even as late as 1967, there was some screening in place for this.

NASA came under some outside pressure to recruit scientists to the astronaut corps, and initially resisted. When they finally could no longer do so, they insisted that all scientist selectees be required to go through flight training and become proficient in flying the T-38 as sole pilot. NASA insisted on the flight training requirement, as space flight was considered above all else a FLYING endeavour, with science as a secondary consideration at every level. And they probably felt that the skills and discipline acquired through flight experience would have a direct benefit for those training to fly in space. The first 6 "Scientists-Astronauts" were selected in 1965. 2 already had flown jets in the military, and one dropped out shortly thereafter for personal reasons. The remaining 3 (Garriott, Gibson and Schmitt) were sent to USAF flight school for a year.

Because of the results of that selection, and because more scientist-astronauts might be required for the Apollo Applications Program (and beyond), the decision was made to conduct a second scientist selection. Again, the flight training requirement was included.

Of course, no sooner did that second group get selected than Deke Slayton informed them that, due to looming NASA budget cuts, they might never get to fly. As a result they named themselves the XS-11 (Excess Eleven). Eventually, some of them did get tired of waiting, while others stayed long enough to fly (15 years for the first ones to go up). Another, John Anthony Llewellyn, washed out of flight training and thus had to leave the astronaut office. In his book, O'Leary cites his frustration with this outlook on his prospects for a mission, the NASA bureaucracy and the amount of time he was being kept away from doing scientific research (which he didn't seem to expect would happen). His fear of flying was probably what finally made him decide to quit, the proverbial "straw that broke the camel's back". He either wasn't aware of this fear before beginning flight training, or thought he could overcome it for the chance to fly in space. The death of C.C. Williams in a T-38 shortly after his selection also had a profound impact on him, according to O'Leary. He reasoned that if a seasoned pilot like C.C. could die in a jet crash, how much higher were the odds for someone like him?

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posted 01-31-2010 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by issman1:
For those interested, here is his website.
Just in passing - the site mentioned is the same quoted by me earlier.

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posted 01-31-2010 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MCroft04   Click Here to Email MCroft04     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just for the record, Jack's last name is spelled Schmitt.

Delta7
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posted 05-11-2010 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delta7   Click Here to Email Delta7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just noticed Brian O'Leary's official NASA biography is now included in NASA's Astronaut (Former) Biography page.

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posted 05-12-2010 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for issman1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was a odd (if not petty) thing to have kept Dr. O'Leary's bio in limbo for so long. I can also say that he does reply to emails.

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posted 05-12-2010 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hlbjr   Click Here to Email hlbjr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I doubt there's a conspiracy regarding O'Leary (who has clearly had more than his allotted 15 mins of fame on this board). I'm sure NASA has bigger fish to fry than blacklisting a guy who is but a footnote in their astronaut history. Like the prior post said, he wasn't around long enough to even have a biography that he could sign off so that (in my book) automatically moves him to the bottom of the "things to do" pile.

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