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Paul78zephyr
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posted 05-09-2006 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul78zephyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know that I should not believe everything I read at Wikipedia but they do have A LOT of info on the Apollo program and the astronauts. Anyway, they made a point to state that Buzz Aldrin and Gene Cernan intenstly disliked each other. Can anyone comment on the validity of this or any direct knowledge?

Yes, I realize the astronauts are human and have unique personalities. I did read Walt Cunninghams book (BTW I thought it was great), and The Right Stuff, which although factually flawed in many respects is said to have nailed Al Shepard's split personality.

Thanks,
Paul

Robert Pearlman
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posted 05-09-2006 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The description would appear to be based on passages that appear in their books and not first-hand knowledge. Having seen the two together in the same room and interacting with each other, they might have been playing nice for the "cameras" but I doubt it. "Intensely dislike" is probably too strong an admonition but only Aldrin and Cernan can say for certain.

Paul78zephyr
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posted 05-10-2006 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul78zephyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Robert. I want to be clear to you and all that I have the greatest respect for both men and their achievements and am not trying to creat an issue that does not exist. I was actually very surprised when I read that they disliked each other. Like you said, only they know for sure.

Paul

Duke Of URL
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posted 05-12-2006 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Duke Of URL   Click Here to Email Duke Of URL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Time wounds all heels. And vice-versa.

Any intense emotion is difficult to maintain over forty years (ask your grandparents).

robsouth
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posted 07-10-2006 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for robsouth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm reading a very interesting book at the moment by Andrew Smith called, "Moon Dust" and on page 119 he quoets Aldrin,

"He's a very competitive person. Very driving to put his 'Last Man on the Moon' as a very significant position."

The author writes, "Last Man on the Moon" is the title of Gene Cernan's recently published memoirs. Clearly there's some bad blood here. Aldrin raises Cernan's near disastrous Gemini 9 spacewalk, as a consequence of which NASA withdrew an experimental manoeuvring backpack from Gemini 12."

This raises the posibility of Aldrin blaming Cernan for the loss of his AMU on Gemini 12. Also there was some talk of Aldrin getting Cernans Gemini 9 seat but this never happened. Also Cernan slated Aldin for coming to him when Cernan shared an office with Armstrong and tried to put his case for being first out on the Apollo 11 LEVA. All points to the two men not being best of buddies.

MCroft04
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posted 07-10-2006 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MCroft04   Click Here to Email MCroft04     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These are all interesting comments, however I worry that sometimes we read too much into what is written, which may very well have been taken out of context. I don't claim that my profession is anywhere as glamorous as that of an astronaut, but I know that I criticize some of my peers quite often, and sometimes I am quite blunt. But that does not mean that I don't like them. And except for a few rare cases, I'm always willing to have a beer with them. Now I'm sure there are astronauts that don't get along. But when the chips were down, I bet that they would have been willing to work closely together for a successful mission, and probably have given a slap on the back when the mission succeeded. Criticism is human nature.

Novaspace
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posted 07-10-2006 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Novaspace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aldrin isn't on anyone's "best buddy" list, and generally kept to himself at NASA. He wasn't Deke's favorite guy, but got his crew assignments because of his competence and brilliance.

Many ambivalent attitudes toward him were changed when he punched Bart Sibrel, which many of the others wished they had done.
Kim

robsouth
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posted 07-11-2006 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for robsouth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually just checking with Cernan's book 'The Last Man on the Moon' and it says that Deke asked Cernan to take over Aldrin's seat on Gemini 12. This never happened because the AMU was dropped from the mission. Cernan says of Aldrin's tasks during his EVA, "In true Buzz fashion, he would openly claim in later years that he had personally solved all the problems of EVA, and that his spacewalk went smoothly because he was better prepared than the rest of us. Quite frankly, we said he was only working a "monkey board." Draw your own conclusions."

From that it would seem there was some bad blood between the two, clash of egos, I think.

Duke Of URL
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posted 07-12-2006 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Duke Of URL   Click Here to Email Duke Of URL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what i read in Aldrin's book, he pretty much said the same thing about his spacewalk tasks. However, please note that Aldrin was the only Gemini Astronaut doing actual work in space (as opposed to Ed White's drifting) who didn't come in early or half dead from exhaustion. Therefore I believe he DID solve the problems of EVA.

As far as Cernan, either he or Stafford mis-set a switch and nearly caused a fatal crash during Apollo 10, and Cernan was hot-dogging by his own admission shortly before a flight when he dumped a chopper into the Banana River. So, given the factBuzz Aldrin did pretty well on his missions and Cernan probably wouldn't have survuved under a less sympathetic boss than Deke Slayton there could be some jealousy there, too.

[This message has been edited by Duke Of URL (edited July 12, 2006).]

star61
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posted 07-13-2006 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for star61   Click Here to Email star61     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Aldrins eva was easier, because he had more grab rails fitted and paced himself better. That was mission requirements, LEARNT , from the experience of previous evas. Mike Collins said his problems were much over played by some in NASA.

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