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Topic: Astronaut Central's 2011 John Young signing
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mjanovec
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From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 01-02-2011 10:50 PM
   
It looks like John Young is returning to Astronaut Central (aka Novaspace) for a signing in February 2011. |
AJ
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From: Plattsburgh, NY, United States
Registered: Feb 2009
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posted 01-02-2011 11:00 PM
This is definitely exciting news, but my wallet is shaking with terror.  |
Paul23
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posted 01-03-2011 04:36 AM
It looks as if there is also a Micahel Collins signing in April as well, tough decision coming up methinks! |
lm5eagle
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posted 01-03-2011 04:39 AM
John Young AND Mike Collins! Two very welcome signers. Thanks again to Astronaut Central.
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Starfighter1
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posted 01-03-2011 06:21 AM
As John Young did not charge any completion fees in his 2010 signing, I am sure I am not the only one that was counting on him doing the same this time. Any chance he would reconsider charging them? Delighted that he is signing, won't be able to send in as many items to be signed at these completion fees. |
jut2y
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posted 01-03-2011 07:29 AM
Great news about John Young signing again.I do agree with Starfighter regarding the crew completion fees, the problem being the total spend on a crew signed item in my opinion cannot be justified in today's current markets. I realise it is our choice we don't have to pay but if you have an item that is crying out for John Young's signature, without it your piece is incomplete but on the other hand you know adding him will never should you need to part with the item retrieve your spend this becomes a serious dilemma. In my opinion this will reduce the total amount of orders John Young is likely to receive. |
Spacefest
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Registered: Jan 2009
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posted 01-03-2011 11:53 AM
The waiver on completion fees last time was advertised prominetly as a one-time deal.Due to John's (and others') advancing age, You should consider signings a blessing, rather than grouse about fees. Young's prices have remained steady, while others have skyrocketed. Any of our signings may turn out to have been your last chance. And yes, John hopes there will be fewer orders. |
AJ
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Registered: Feb 2009
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posted 01-03-2011 03:04 PM
Well, as much as I might cringe at the fees because it is a good chunk of change, I do think they're fair. Consider certain other astronauts who will charge a completion fee for something that really isn't a completion. At least this is fair. Personally, I have a really great multi-signed piece that is crying out for Young's autograph. If I want the autograph on that particular piece I have to pay the piper. That's life. To expand upon what Kim wrote, think about who these people are and what they've done. We're lucky they're still willing to sign and we're even luckier when we get to meet them at events. To me, at least, it isn't just about the autograph. |
Rob Joyner
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posted 01-03-2011 03:21 PM
Amen, AJ. Amen. |
arjuna
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posted 01-03-2011 03:36 PM
Pardon the dumb question, but what exactly is a "completion fee" - signing to any item previously signed, or signing a multi-signed item, or what exactly? Looking at the Novaspace rules, it doesn't refer to this so I'm a little confused. Thanks. |
AJ
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posted 01-03-2011 05:09 PM
Say you have an 8x10 photo of the launch of Apollo 16. You've already had it signed by Charlie Duke and Ken Mattingly, so all you need is John Young. That is a crew completion, which gets more and more precious (and difficult to obtain) the older we all get.  |
arjuna
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posted 01-03-2011 05:18 PM
Thanks, AJ. So is there an extra fee on top for that (if it says that in the Novaspace rules/FAQ, then I can't find it)? And is that only for completions, or does it apply also to items already signed by one, but not the remaining two, crew members (i.e. something already signed by Duke but not Mattingly)?Thanks. |
AJ
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posted 01-03-2011 05:24 PM
On this page you will find the link to download the fees and rules. The fees for this particular signing are clearly laid out. In general, completion fees are for the final signature of a crew (like the example above). In this case, the fee is different depending upon which crew you're referring to (Gemini 3, Gemini 10, etc.). I know, it can get complicated very quickly. Hope this helps! |
Greggy_D
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Registered: Jul 2006
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posted 01-03-2011 06:49 PM
I really wish John was signing at Spacefest. I'd easily pay the signing fee to be able to shake his hand, thank him for inspiring me as a child, and also take a pic with him. |
Spacefest
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Registered: Jan 2009
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posted 01-03-2011 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by Greggy_D:
I really wish John was signing at Spacefest. I'd easily pay the signing fee to be able to shake his hand, thank him for inspiring me as a child, and also take a pic with him.
John was at the first Spacefest, though not signing. Some people just don't socialize well. The crew of Gemini 10 for example, only did Spacefests as a favor, and were obviously uncomfortable. "Crew completion fees" are for items where Young's signature completes a dedicated crew it. It does NOT apply to multi-signed items that have other signers, even if the item has other complete crews or others of Young' many crews. Does that make sense? |
AJ
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posted 01-03-2011 07:24 PM
Oooh, so that means that my small panorama, which already has Stafford and Cernan, but also a bunch of others, WON'T be considered a completion? that could make my wallet a little happier. |
Spacefest
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posted 01-03-2011 11:37 PM
Base price. |
328KF
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posted 01-04-2011 01:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Spacefest:
Due to John's (and others') advancing age, You should consider signings a blessing, rather than grouse about fees.Any of our signings may turn out to have been your last chance.
While I certainly appreciate the many astronauts' willingness to do these signings, and the efforts of Novaspace to make them possible, I think it is in poor taste to use their age as a marketing ploy.We all know they are getting up there in years, but advertising like this starts sounding like a "going out of business" sale at a used car lot. |
Spacefest
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posted 01-04-2011 02:33 PM
Sorry, but some people forget the obvious. |
Paul23
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posted 01-04-2011 03:00 PM
Over the course of 2010 and sadly the first few days of 2011, there have been several instances of actors and film makers such as Tony Curtis, Leslie Nielsen, Pete Postlethwaite and Irvin Kerschner passing away. All of these people attended UK signing events, such as Autographica, and when the news of their passing has come out there has nearly always been at least one person saying they wish they had met them when they had the chance rather than waiting for the next time. I genuinely don't believe this is a marketing ploy by the folks at Astronaut Central, just a reminder about a sad fact of life. |
Rick Mulheirn
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posted 01-04-2011 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by Paul23:
I genuinely don't believe this is a marketing ploy by the folks at Astronaut Central, just a reminder about a sad fact of life.
All the more reason why Autographica should get John Young over. Alas, I suspect contractual arrangements with Novaspace would preclude John Young from attending...! |
spaced out
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posted 01-04-2011 04:19 PM
I think it's more likely that John Young would preclude John Young from attending.From everything I've read it's clear that he's not comfortable in 'meet and greet' situations, in which case a public signing event is simply not going to happen. |
Spacefest
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From: Tucson, AZ
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posted 01-04-2011 11:54 PM
Chris is mostly right, we don't have a contract with anyone, but loyalty would preclude him signing with anyone else.John is becoming reluctant to travel much, and has curtailed his engagements. Flying across the pond to a autograph show would be grueling for even a younger man, and would be totally out of character. |
gliderpilotuk
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From: London, UK
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 01-05-2011 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by spaced out:
From everything I've read it's clear that he's not comfortable in 'meet and greet' situations.
Not strictly true.Around six years ago John Young gave a private lecture at my gliding club outside London. Whilst the "no-autograph" message was clearly delivered he was happy with a handshake and photo. He may be quite "retiring" but his talks at Lasham and at Spacefest were highly entertaining for both the humour and the controversy! |
328KF
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posted 01-05-2011 08:52 AM
Why is it that a Gemini 10 crew completion is priced higher than an Apollo 16 completion? Collins is available for signings, including one upcoming, and the piece would have two signatures on it.A 16 piece obviously would have three, and Mattingly is notoriously not open to signings. Seems to me that the 16 piece would be a far better item for those so inclined to invest in one. |
Spacefest
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posted 01-05-2011 01:21 PM
Collins won't sign covers. Mattingly signs for free. |
Spacefest
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posted 01-05-2011 01:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by gliderpilotuk:
He may be quite "retiring" but his talks at Lasham and at Spacefest were highly entertaining for both the humour and the controversy!
We had more complaints about John's quietness and non-friendliness than anything else. People wanted their money back. |
MikeSpace
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posted 01-05-2011 05:29 PM
I get a 100% unquestionably authentic signature, inscibed to me if I want, of one of the greatest astronauts alive, one of 12 to walk on the moon.Ecstatic. Thank you. |
DCCollector
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From: Washington, DC USA
Registered: Dec 2006
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posted 01-07-2011 05:46 PM
With this signing coming up, does anyone have suggestions for good John Young quotes that could be inscribed on a photo? |
contra
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From: Kiel, Germany
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posted 01-08-2011 03:37 AM
quote:
Originally posted by DCCollector:
With this signing coming up, does anyone have suggestions for good John Young quotes that could be inscribed on a photo?
"There you are. Mysterious and Unknown Descartes Highland plains. Apollo 16 is gonna change your image."
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Paul23
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posted 01-08-2011 07:07 AM
Downside to that one is it's a 12 word limit for inscriptions and at $20 a word it could get pricey!It's not a quote as such but I'm going for a jump salute photo with "Another Giant Leap" added to it. |
gliderpilotuk
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posted 01-08-2011 09:39 AM
I was thinking of creating a composite of the first and last crews of the shuttle but given the uncertainty around STS-135 it's probably a bit premature to decide who IS the last commander! Having met both JY amd Mark Kelly I was kind of hoping it would remain him. |
Steve Procter
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posted 01-08-2011 12:09 PM
Paul, you could go for 'A big Navy salute' for the jumping picture as I think that was Charlie Duke's prompt. |
Paul23
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posted 01-10-2011 08:21 AM
That would look good as well but I saw someone on a thread on here from a while back had used an inscription similar to the one I have gone for and I really liked how it looked on the photo! |
burnsnz
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posted 01-13-2011 05:56 PM
Off topic a little, but do we know any more about John Young's autobiography? |
Spacefest
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posted 01-14-2011 12:31 PM
quote:
Originally posted by burnsnz:
Off topic a little, but do we know any more about John Young's autobiography?
There will be no books by Young. |
328KF
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posted 01-14-2011 12:37 PM
How about a little more detail? In the past we have been led to believe here that something was in the works. |
Robert Pearlman
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posted 01-14-2011 02:36 PM
Without contradicting Kim, the information shared by cS member Tyler under the John Young's memoirs thread in June 2010 remains accurate. Jim Hansen (author of "First Man") is still at work preparing Young's self-written memoirs to be published. More details will be shared under that thread when appropriate. |
Spacefest
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posted 01-14-2011 06:40 PM
Good luck with that. John has made a few notes, but one prominent space author was already fired/quit. My understanding is that the "memoirs" were more like "memos." I can't picture John talking about himself. |
Spacefest
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posted 01-15-2011 02:24 PM
Let me be clearer. No one wants to see a John Young book more than I (although two volumes would be appropriate) I doubt that it would contain much biographical material from JWY himself.This book idea has been "in the works" for several years. John would also be very reluctant to go on a book signing tour, which will make it hard to find a publisher. |
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