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Topic: [RR Auction] Space memorabilia (April 2020)
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Rick Mulheirn Member Posts: 4211 From: England Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 03-11-2020 03:34 AM
If you haven't already done so, check out RR Auction's April space sale currently being previewed. Some mouth watering suit items in particular coming to market, including some familiar pieces. |
Philip Member Posts: 6010 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 03-12-2020 07:45 PM
Hodinkee: Cosmonaut Nikolai Budarin's Flown Speedmaster Is Up At Auction The watch that cosmonaut Nikolai Budarin wore on no less than three extravehicular activities – commonly known as spacewalks – is coming up for auction on April 9 at RR Auction online. A flown Speedmaster is already special, but a flown Speedmaster on the historic STS-71/TM-21 mission, when the American Space Shuttle docked with Russian space station Mir, is even more spectacular. RR Auction puts the estimate at $50,000. But if we look at the results of last year's Sotheby's auction "Omega Speedmaster: To the Moon and Back | Celebrating 50 years since Apollo 11," it might seem that $50,000 for a watch with such provenance is a bargain. |
Jurvetson Member Posts: 102 From: Los Altos an SF, CA, United States Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 03-12-2020 10:16 PM
Wow! I am only at the beginning, and I have to say this is an amazing collection of items for sale, from the Apollo 11 PPK to the first NWA5000 slice ever to come to auction. I have one too, and I have to say it still brings me the greatest joy in my collection. It is breathtakingly beautiful, and it looks like you think the moon should look. They even printed a standalone catalog for this featured item, and an article that just came out in Atlas Obscura. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 43619 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-09-2020 12:39 PM
From RR Auction: Bidding is open in our April Space Exploration sale, with a special section honoring the 50th anniversary of Apollo 13!More than 600 lots are available, highlighted by a complete slice of the NWA 5000 lunar meteorite, a flight-configured lunar overshoe used in training for Apollo 11, Buzz Aldrin's lunar communion PPK flown on Apollo 11, a Grumman-built Lunar Module Upper Docking Tunnel Hatch, and Gene Kranz's Apollo 13 MCC Badge. |
Chuckster01 Member Posts: 945 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 04-09-2020 03:54 PM
Oh my, now is the time to make the hard choice. Do I save my money for survival? No one knows what is coming in the next months, or... Do I make myself happy by buying more memorabilia for my collection? RR, here I come, I have plenty of toilet paper. |
mode1charlie Member Posts: 1184 From: Honolulu, HI Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 04-09-2020 08:01 PM
I have a question regarding Item #8538 - Skylab Butter Cookies. This to me looks like Shuttle-era packaging and labeling, not Skylab. At Steve Hankow's Farthest Reaches website offers an empty (unflown) can of Skylab butter cookies that would seem to be a more likely way that those food items were packaged for Skylab than the vacuum packed method. Anyone know more? As a space food collector, I bid on the item but after I did I started to wonder if I might not have used my best judgement. |
SpaceAholic Member Posts: 4507 From: Sierra Vista, Arizona Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-09-2020 08:14 PM
Believe you are correct. RR will look into it. |
Larry McGlynn Member Posts: 1269 From: Boston, MA Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 04-09-2020 08:41 PM
I bought those unflown butter cookies from Ed Gibson via Steve Hankow. They are from the same lot that included a flown Skylab menu and some unflown Tuna Creole. I showed those to Paul Weitz and he told me the story that butter cookies were trade goods on Skylab. |
holcombeyates Member Posts: 255 From: UK Registered: Dec 2010
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posted 04-09-2020 11:36 PM
How about Lot #8326, Jim Irwin's bio harness assembly?A great piece, but flown? Wouldn't it have a parts removal tag with it? |
SpaceAholic Member Posts: 4507 From: Sierra Vista, Arizona Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-10-2020 06:27 AM
Lot description does not definitively state flown, only a stipulation as such by the consignor (his daughter). And yes there would/should have originally been documentation but could have become de-affiliated over the years. |
holcombeyates Member Posts: 255 From: UK Registered: Dec 2010
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posted 04-10-2020 04:35 PM
Thanks. Sad that it will be impossible to prove conclusively. It’s always good to think of resale potential which could be tricky. |
BLivingston Member Posts: 61 From: Boston,Ma. USA Registered: Jan 2010
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posted 04-14-2020 11:53 AM
quote: Originally posted by mode1charlie: I have a question regarding Item #8538 - Skylab Butter Cookies.
Item #8538 has been withdrawn. This item will be re-listed in a future sale with a revised description indicating these are from the Shuttle. We are grateful, as always, to the cS community for raising legitimate concerns and allowing RR Auction the opportunity to address these issues prior to the end of a sale. — Bobby Livingston |
Jurvetson Member Posts: 102 From: Los Altos an SF, CA, United States Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 04-14-2020 06:46 PM
Oh boy, this is my first sale of space artifacts ever. Now that we have my new office layout figured out, I have just a few too many items... and I refuse to put precious cargo in storage! So, a dozen items, on sale now. If you have questions about any of them, ping me at Steve@Future.Ventures. - Mars Viking Orbiter RS-21 Rocket Engine
- Apollo CSM Fuel Cell Serial Number 3
- Apollo Lunar Module AC Power Inverter
- Voyager Spacecraft RTG Model
- Apollo 14 Docking Ring Flange
- Apollo 9 Lunar Module Flown Stowage Strap
- Apollo 9 Flown Scissors
- Apollo 10 Flown Strap
- Neil Armstrong EVA Spacesuit Boots X-Ray
- Apollo 15 Lunar Surface Flown COAS Electrical Plug
- Apollo 15 Lunar Surface EVA PLSS Cable
- Charlie Duke's Apollo 16 Lunar Flown Toothbrush
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Chuckster01 Member Posts: 945 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 04-14-2020 07:00 PM
Steve, If these are the items you are getting rid of I would love to see what you decided to keep. |
Jurvetson Member Posts: 102 From: Los Altos an SF, CA, United States Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 04-14-2020 08:15 PM
This is about half of it: dfjspace.com.
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Mike Dixon Member Posts: 1431 From: Kew, Victoria, Australia Registered: May 2003
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posted 04-14-2020 09:33 PM
Good heavens!!! Amazing. |
Guswastheman Member Posts: 105 From: Gresham, OR Registered: Apr 2011
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posted 04-14-2020 10:36 PM
Steve, first off, I now know where some of the items that I had bid and lost at auction ended up. LOL. Secondly, I can’t tell you how cool that old design, Grumman LEM hatch is. As an avid Grumman LM collector, that is the holy grail. Don't get me wrong, I have some very nice pieces, but nothing like that. If I was ever blessed with an LEM/LM hatch, my collection days would be done. I would just sit back and feel the passion from 20+ years of doing so. I would definitely be content! What a great environment to write a book. Thanks for sharing! |
Chuckster01 Member Posts: 945 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 04-15-2020 04:38 AM
An amazing collection. |
Rick Mulheirn Member Posts: 4211 From: England Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 04-15-2020 05:08 AM
Steve, your collection is okay... I suppose! : |
crl848 Member Posts: 15 From: London, UK Registered: Nov 2010
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posted 04-16-2020 12:47 PM
What do people feel about lot 8250, Dick Gordon's hand controller? No provenance from Dick but it looks a lot like Al Bean's. |
cole505 New Member Posts: 2 From: United States Registered: May 2013
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posted 04-16-2020 01:23 PM
The Apollo 12 hand controller is mine. Dick and Linda Gordon were friends of mine. It is 100% the real deal. |
Jurvetson Member Posts: 102 From: Los Altos an SF, CA, United States Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 04-16-2020 02:26 PM
Thanks - when I look at that lot #8250, I have a dumb question: Why does it say "This spring-loaded hand controller remains quite tight and returns to neutral" when it appears to be a grip screwed to a wooden base? It can't move like a complete controller. Was this description from a more complete hand controller, and this is the grip separated from the controller? Or? |
SpaceAholic Member Posts: 4507 From: Sierra Vista, Arizona Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-16-2020 02:47 PM
Yes - evidently a transposition error from the description of a previously offered complete RHC. Just the RHC grip in this lot. |
crl848 Member Posts: 15 From: London, UK Registered: Nov 2010
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posted 04-16-2020 03:05 PM
Thanks. Yes, that’s how they were usually presented to the astronauts. |
Jurvetson Member Posts: 102 From: Los Altos an SF, CA, United States Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 04-16-2020 03:14 PM
Also, lot 8631: I am friends with Ed Lu from B612, and I pointed him to his gloves for sale. He replied: "These gloves are my backup gloves, because I have the flight versions right here at home! They give them to you right after the flight (since they are custom fit)." FYI, likely not flown. [update - listing title fixed.. all's good]
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BruceF New Member Posts: 2 From: Long Island, NY, USA Registered: May 2019
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posted 04-16-2020 10:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by Jurvetson: This is about half of it
That's quite an amazing collection. I was outbid on a couple of your consignments, including the Apollo 14 flange. But, I picked up a few things to add to my collection. |
413 is in Member Posts: 634 From: Alexandria, VA USA Registered: May 2006
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posted 04-17-2020 01:45 AM
Gene Kranz's Apollo 13 MOCR access badge sold for $29,197.50 with buyer's premium! That's gotta be a new record price for a NASA badge. Wow. |
denali414 Member Posts: 643 From: Raleigh, NC Registered: Aug 2017
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posted 04-17-2020 06:44 AM
WOW! Some eye popping prices on lucites and models. Guess the virus has not hurt space collecting yet. I got outbid on all. |
GACspaceguy Member Posts: 2520 From: Guyton, GA Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 04-17-2020 09:42 AM
Yes, those prices went outside my comfort zone. I did have one item I kept bidding on that was bid up three times with 3 seconds left in the 30 minute rule each time. Obviously they did not understand the 30 minute rule. Waiting until there are seconds left does not increase your chances. It always resets the clock to 30 minutes and I get an outbid notice. What it did was frustrate me and made me run the bid higher, I was really done at the first outbid. |
rgarner Member Posts: 1227 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 04-17-2020 09:53 AM
This is a tactic used to remove European bidders from the running. In the UK the 30 minute rule starts at midnight and nobody wants to stay up later than they have to.What is usually said is to just "put in your max bid" and go to sleep, but if some people only have so much money and are bidding strategically, this isn't always possible. It is annoying, sure, but unless RR decide to change the 30 minute rule from 7pm ET to 6pm ET, it won't change. And if they did, is 6pm long enough for people to be home from work? And round we go. |
SpaceAholic Member Posts: 4507 From: Sierra Vista, Arizona Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-17-2020 10:25 AM
quote: Originally posted by GACspaceguy: Obviously they did not understand the 30 minute rule.
The bidder is using auction parameters to his/her perceived advantage; you may not agree with the tactic but it's fair play. The alternative (absent the rule) is sniping. Pick your poison. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 43619 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-17-2020 10:59 AM
RR Auction release Gene Kranz's Apollo 13 Mission Control badge sold for $29,197 at auctionApollo 13 50th Anniversary items among highlights of Space Exploration sale by RR Auction Gene Kranz's Apollo 13 Mission Control badge sold for $29,197, according to Boston-based RR Auction. Kranz's badge was among a special section that included dozens of related lots in the Space Exploration themed sale honoring the 50th anniversary of Apollo 13 from the near-disastrous mission. After serving as a flight director for each of the Gemini missions, Kranz was selected as division chief for Flight Control in 1968, working in the same capacity for all odd-numbered Apollo missions, including both Apollo 11 and Apollo 13. As the leader of the 'Tiger Team' of flight directors, Kranz showed incredible resilience and ingenuity when confronted with the task of bringing the crew of Apollo 13 safely back to Earth. The green laminated badge NASA issued to "Eugene F. Kranz" for the Apollo 13 mission and stamped "AV." The lot is accompanied by a signed letter of authenticity from Kranz, which includes a heartfelt message in part: "I entrust you to preserve this authentic piece of manned space program history and hope that you and others will enjoy it for years to come. It should serve as a constant reminder of not only our accomplishments during this period but of the personal sacrifice that allowed us to forge a path from the Earth to the Moon and beyond." "Gene Kranz, with his crewcut and vest, is an unmistakable hero and was instrumental in bringing home Jim Lovell, Fred Haise, and Jack Swigart," said Bobby Livingston, Executive VP at RR Auction. "The badge is a beautiful reminder of the critically important role Kranz and Mission Control played in the space program." Highlights from the sale include, but are not limited by: - A complete slice of the lunar meteorite Northwest Africa 5000 (NWA 5000) sold for $118,685.
- Rare Lunar Module Upper Docking Tunnel Hatch manufactured by Grumman sold for $90,747.
- Apollo Lunar Boot Overshoe, used in training for the Apollo 11 mission sold for $62,500.
- Richard Gordon's Apollo 12 flown rotational hand controller sold for $$56,246.
- Nikolai Budarin's Flown Omega Speedmaster watch sold for $46,812.
- Astronaut signed custom-made Fender Guitar sold for $36,785.
- Apollo 16 Flown Lunar Module Grumman identification plate sold for $32,463.
The Space & Aviation Auction from RR Auction began on April 9 and concluded on April 16. |
thisismills Member Posts: 300 From: Michigan Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 04-17-2020 01:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by SpaceAholic: Pick your poison.
I for one wouldn't be opposed to a 10 minute rule. That might be a happy common ground of not too little but not too much.Great auction, as we have come to expect from RR. |
capoetc Member Posts: 2181 From: McKinney TX (USA) Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 04-17-2020 01:57 PM
If the intent is for RR Auction to realize the highest possible prices for their consignors, then the current system seems to work well.The highest bid option really is a good way to go. You won’t lose by 50 cents at the last minute since the bid increments increase as the bidding goes higher. I do understand the frustration for bidders who say, “If I don’t get this lot for X amount, then I will hold off and try to get that lot instead,” but overall the system seems to work well. I would hate having a sniping option, and I think that option is not good for sellers either. |
rgarner Member Posts: 1227 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 04-17-2020 02:06 PM
I prefer the RR style auction above all else, truth be told. It is very organized and efficient. |
Jurvetson Member Posts: 102 From: Los Altos an SF, CA, United States Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 04-17-2020 02:50 PM
I agree. It is my favorite online format, by far. Thirty minutes could be 20 for most auctions for me, but when I'm bidding on 30+ items, it helps to have some time. I noticed a pattern of someone bidding near the end of the 30 minutes, over and over again, on a collection of Russian items in particular. They all got in sync. |
holcombeyates Member Posts: 255 From: UK Registered: Dec 2010
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posted 04-17-2020 05:22 PM
Yes I much prefer the 30 minute rule, My only observation is that it can make for a very late night here in the UK! |
GACspaceguy Member Posts: 2520 From: Guyton, GA Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 04-17-2020 05:41 PM
Just to be clear here, I think the 30 minute rule as used by RR is the best. |
spaced out Member Posts: 3118 From: Paris, France Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 04-18-2020 03:08 AM
I was surprised to see that Aldrin's Apollo 11 PPK — a very nice item which finished at an impressive $110,724 (including fees) — apparently did not meet its reserve.Now obviously it's worth a lot more than the $1,150 it originally sold for at Superior in 1995 but to me $110k seem like a very solid price. I have to wonder how much the owner really thinks it's worth today. Many of the other unsold items were from Dave Scott. We tend to see the same Scott pieces (AS15 flown flags, surface flown mini flags, mini LRV001 plates) go unsold many times in these auctions, which can get a bit depressing. Would be nice if RR could persuade him to lower his reserves a little as he obviously has large multiples of these items. Given the finite demand and large supply it's clear that the reserves need to drop a little if he really wants to sell new examples of all these pieces every 6 months. |