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Topic: [RegencySuperior] Space Auction (Sept 2016)
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Penney Kols Member Posts: 38 From: saint louis mo usa Registered: Sep 2008
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posted 08-22-2016 04:00 PM
RegencySuperior proudly presents its Space & Collectibles Public Auction on Thursday, Sept. 29, 2016 beginning at 11 a.m. (Central Time). More than 350 lots will go up on the auction block with live internet bidding directly on RegencySuperior's website RegencySuperior.com and at Invaluable.com.This auction features the continuation of the incredible collection of Richard Stonely, space collector and autograph aficionado. Space art, memorabilia and of course, astronaut autographs are all part of the unrivaled collection from the man who not only was lucky enough to meet these brave pioneers, but forged friendships over the years with his heroes. Below are just a few items from the collection of Richard Stonely and other space collectors. Starting with a truly distinctive item, a primarily nickel meteorite measuring roughly 6"x6"x6, weighing nearly 12 lbs attributed to Great Meteor Crater (Barringer) and surrounding Canyon Diablo. This particular specimen (likely museum quality) was once owned by Thomas Beard, a professional consulting geologist. A gorgeous item that you have to see to believe. If Project Mercury is more your passion, there are nearly a dozen photos, first day covers and other items to choose from. Lot 37 is a color photo depicting the Mercury 7 group in flight gear standing in front of US Air Force jet. Photo bears bold signatures of Scott Carpenter, Gordon Cooper, John Glenn, Gus Grissom, Wally Schirra, Alan Shepard and Deke Slayton. A must have for any Mercury 7 or general Space enthusiast. A highlight from the Apollo program is an official NASA KSC PAO Apollo A7L Spacesuit model mock-up (Lot 84). The suit features include blue helmet collar, NASA patch, American flag patch, connectors, checklist pockets, zipper pocket on chest, detachable utility and checklist pockets on legs, penlight pocket on left arm, two hoses and blue and red flanges. Suit was used for educational purposes, Space center lobby displays and KSC Spaceport USA. It makes for an incredible display at a Museum or other institution. Lot 278 is a baseball signed and inscribed (to Richard) by Neil Armstrong. This piece is signed in blue ink on the side panel. Has minimal toning and is incredibly desirable. The showstopper of Richard's collection has to be a dazzling signed original painting titled 'Cosmic Journey', an original painting (36½"x55", framed to 43½"x62") by Apollo astronaut Alan Bean (Lot 304). Before he began painting, Bean prepared his board with a special texturing compound that he created, containing, in part, dust from the charred heat shield and gold foil, from the Command Module of Apollo 12. Once the texturing compound began to dry, he worked it with his hammer and sharp edged bit from his double core tube (both flown) and an exact replica of his moon boots to achieve a rough and irregular painting surface. A commissioned piece by Bean this large would cost over $400,000. This item is a true bargain with bidding opening at $10,000. The entire auction is now available online for viewing and bidding at RegencySuperior.com. Free color catalogs are available by calling toll-free 1-800-782-0066. For specific questions regarding this space auction, please contact Alan Lipkin. Good luck with your bidding! |
JasonIUP Member Posts: 282 From: PA Registered: Apr 2004
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posted 08-23-2016 11:04 AM
Richard sure got fooled on lots 120 to 122, two Apollo 11 crew-signed photos and a Neil Armstrong signed photo board! |
moonnut Member Posts: 248 From: Andover, MN Registered: Apr 2013
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posted 08-23-2016 06:39 PM
You're right on that Jason. One description said the pen they all used was running out of ink. Might have been the same person signing all three, lol. Also: - Lot 134 - Lovell and Swigert
- Lots 135 and 145 - Don't like the Lovells
- Lot 163 - All autopens
Just my thoughts. A lot of the lots have excessive amounts of duplicates. |
Bob M Member Posts: 1746 From: Atlanta-area, GA USA Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 08-24-2016 08:01 AM
After the somewhat flawed first Richard Stonely/Regency auction, many of us were looking forward to the second one, expecting it to have more special and quality material that Richard amassed over decades of collecting and accumulating.Typically, he was more interested in quantity than quality and his many astronaut signed covers bear this out, as the majority are of poorer quality/type than a more dedicated collector would select, with many being Secondary Recovery Ship covers rather than the more popular Prime Recovery Ship covers. I suspect that many of his astronaut autographed covers were acquired through years of Superior and Regency-Superior auctions, with many selling for lower amounts because of many collectors wanting better quality material. A number of his failures have been listed already and a careful screening of his second Regency auction will uncover more. I have spent some time going through the auction and will later list some lots I have concern about. Of course, there is plenty of quality material, such as several Alan Bean art prints and several Michael Collins original paintings. Also two crew signed covers of special note are lots 97 (Apollo 7 crew) and 162 (Apollo 16 crew). But now after two auctions, why hasn't more of his more spectacular material been listed? For example, when will his NASA Apollo patch litho be listed that is authentically signed by every flown MGA astronaut but three (Grissom, White and Anders), and his stash of at least 6-8 very desirable GT-8 (Armstrong/Scott) crew signed covers? And for someone believed to have several hundred Armstrong autographs - many obtained in person - not a lot have been seen. This auction was heavy on autographed covers but Richard specialized in autographed NASA photos/lithos, which would have more collector interest. |
mjanovec Member Posts: 3811 From: Midwest, USA Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 08-25-2016 05:09 AM
quote: Originally posted by JasonIUP: Richard sure got fooled on lots 120 to 122, two Apollo 11 crew-signed photos and a Neil Armstrong signed photo board!
Regency seems to have been fooled too. But then again, I see no evidence that Regency employs any authenticators whatsoever on their space auctions. As usual, buyer beware. |
spaceflori Member Posts: 1499 From: Germany Registered: May 2000
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posted 08-26-2016 12:22 AM
quote: Originally posted by JasonIUP: Richard sure got fooled on lots 120 to 122, two Apollo 11 crew-signed photos and a Neil Armstrong signed photo board!
122 could be okay — Richard did show me dozens of in-person samples over the years that at least resemble this signature. There are some authentic traits in this signature and knowing that Richard often got Armstrong signatures at golf tournaments in most unusual signing positions I would expect quiet some discussions in the future for his other in-person signatures. There are much "worse" authentic styles in his collection. |
JasonIUP Member Posts: 282 From: PA Registered: Apr 2004
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posted 08-26-2016 01:15 PM
Florian, out of the three lots, this is the closest, I agree. "Neil" is generally fine, but the "A" is not smooth. Plus, the line that Neil used to cross the "A" is more rounded than normal. The "tg" connection is rushed, but I've seen it before in real examples, so that doesn't detract. It may be a rushed "in-person" version, but it is odd enough that I would stay away. |
Dave_Johnson Member Posts: 106 From: Registered: Feb 2014
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posted 08-26-2016 01:55 PM
Not related to the signatures but to the questionability of the auction overall, Lot 2 is highly doubtful as being a meteorite. It appears to be industrial slag. Iron nickel meteorites do not contain stone inclusions such as shown. I own a small fragment of Canyon Diablo.Also, the vague wording such as "Attributed to..." and "likely museum quality" adds to the doubt. |
mode1charlie Member Posts: 1169 From: Honolulu, HI Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 08-26-2016 09:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dave_Johnson: Lot 2 is highly doubtful as being a meteorite.
Agreed. Genuine meteorites do not show porosity like the specimen in the photo, and Canyon Diablo typically doesn't have regmaglypts anyway. Highly suspect. I would stay far away from this one. |
SpaceAholic Member Posts: 4437 From: Sierra Vista, Arizona Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-26-2016 10:05 PM
Looks like slag to me... |
albatron Member Posts: 2732 From: Stuart, Florida Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 08-26-2016 10:15 PM
In Lot 23, the Milt Thompson signed cover is not good, and I'm no fan of the Pete Knight either. |
rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 08-27-2016 02:45 AM
Does it really cost so much to hire an authenticator? One would think with authentication they could actually achieve higher prices (and thus make up for the costs of said authenticator). But maybe I'm just taking an overly simplistic view. |
Larry McGlynn Member Posts: 1255 From: Boston, MA Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 08-27-2016 09:02 AM
I have a two pound iron chunk of the Diablo Canyon meteorite directly from the gift shop at Meteor Crater. Stonely bought a rock of volcanic origin more likely found in Hawaii. |
Alan Lipkin Member Posts: 78 From: Beverly Hills, CA USA Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 08-30-2016 12:43 PM
Working on the questions regarding autographs above. Hope to get some high resolution scans this week and respond by early next week. Note: there is nothing that I can do about too many duplicate autographs. If the client wants to sell bunches, we sell bunches (normally at a very reasonable price). |
rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 08-30-2016 01:26 PM
Just because people pay a ''reasonable price'' doesn't mean what they receive will be real, and frankly, there is no such thing as a reasonable price for a fake.I may not even bid on RS autographs anymore, let alone bid high - nor am I the only one from what friends tell me. My advice, just hire an authenticator. I'm pretty sure Steve Zarelli (and probably others) offers this very service. |
neo1022 Member Posts: 281 From: Santa Monica, CA Registered: Jun 2013
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posted 08-31-2016 02:53 AM
That "meteorite" is painful to even look at. Hard to tell without having the physical specimen, but it sure looks volcanic (or perhaps slag). And if this slipped through the (apparently very large) cracks, it makes you wonder about everything. |
JasonIUP Member Posts: 282 From: PA Registered: Apr 2004
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posted 08-31-2016 06:18 AM
I think the best approach that bidders can take is to judge Regency's items for themselves. If you don't know enough about an item to feel confident in its authenticity, it's not the item for you. To think that all items are suspect because a few are is a long stretch.
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rgarner Member Posts: 1193 From: Shepperton, United Kingdom Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 08-31-2016 07:08 AM
I have to disagree, collecting shouldn't be elitist. |
jtheoret Member Posts: 344 From: Albuquerque, NM USA Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 08-31-2016 09:30 AM
I don't think its necessarily "elitist" — there isn't a collector or auction house out there that has been right 100% of the time, and even the people I believe are the most knowledgeable and experienced sometimes disagree. The caveat of let the buyer beware is a collectors mantra. I've gotten some great deals from Regency. I am not sure how an autopen can get through and some of the more well known forgery styles should be known to them as well, but I tend to agree that a few questionable items to not make everything suspect. If you didn't see it signed in your presence (or get an item through the mail from an astronaut directly) there is no way to ever be 100% sure. Don't bid if you're not comfortable with an item. |
SpaceAholic Member Posts: 4437 From: Sierra Vista, Arizona Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-31-2016 11:02 AM
Look back through prior threads addressing Regency Superior auctions/concerns with the way it approaches authentication. Clear emerging trend line. |
moonnut Member Posts: 248 From: Andover, MN Registered: Apr 2013
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posted 08-31-2016 06:13 PM
I believe if this was an eBay auction it could be expected as eBay we all know isn't monitored. The fact that collectors are upset by Regency's apparent unmonitored space auction is that those collectors are paying outrageous fees — 20% buyer's premium. Also Regency collects 20% seller's fees. That's 40% per item! There are buyers that solely base items being legit by reputation of the auction house. Not a good basis but it happens. So Regency rakes it in on customer loyalty.First clue for us space collectors to watch out for ourselves is the fact their website is regencystamps.com. It doesn't say regencyspace.com. Their specialty is stamps and I think they should stick to that (ha, no pun intended). But since they have ventured into other realms they need to hire the proper personnel to maintain legitimacy. If they don't they only damage their reputation. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-31-2016 06:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by moonnut: Their specialty is stamps and I think they should stick to that...
Alan Lipkin was part of the original Superior Galleries that hosted the first regularly-scheduled, live space auctions. He and the late Michael Orenstein basically set the space memorabilia sale foundation for other auction houses to follow.So to suggest that Alan is a newcomer to space is somewhat backwards. He's been doing this longer than many in the market today. That's not to say that Regency doesn't have areas where it could improve, it does. But as long as I have known Alan — and that dates back to the same year cS came online — he has always been receptive to feedback, eager to help and a source of knowledge on a number of subjects related to this field. |
stsmithva Member Posts: 1933 From: Fairfax, VA, USA Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 08-31-2016 07:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by moonnut: That's 40% per item! ...since they have ventured into other realms they need to hire the proper personnel to maintain legitimacy.
I agree that there should be an expectation that the consignment fee and buyer's premium don't just go towards producing a catalog and running the auction. The auction house should authenticate and ideally research further the items. Both consignor and buyer are happy when that happens. As a consignor I have had a couple of bad experiences with auction houses that were sloppy, and I won't consign with them any more. As a buyer I avoid auction houses that allow obvious forgeries, especially painful ones. As for the other point, actually, the "Superior" part of Regency-Superior was the original space auctioneer. Their 1993 auction is the stuff of legend. The last few auctions have, I'm afraid, taken them down a few notches. |
Alan Lipkin Member Posts: 78 From: Beverly Hills, CA USA Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 09-02-2016 12:38 PM
Please take note of the following changes in the upcoming space Memorabilia catalog. Lot Number 120, 121, 134, 135, 145, 163 Withdrawn. Lot 121, per the late consignor Richard Stonely, was signed by Neil Armstrong in person on a golf course in Houston, TX... as with many rushed signatures as pointed out by Florian, there are anomalies. Thanks to all for your input. |
JasonIUP Member Posts: 282 From: PA Registered: Apr 2004
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posted 09-02-2016 04:22 PM
120 may have been signed on a golf course, but not by Neil. Even so, that doesn't explain why the other two look off. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42988 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 09-02-2016 06:50 PM
quote: Originally posted by JasonIUP: ...but not by Neil.
Knowing Stonely's history and how he obtained many of his autographs, it is completely plausible it was signed by Armstrong. Suffice to say, the fact that the autograph may have been rushed is not the only factor why an atypical signature may have been given. |
akinnaird Member Posts: 30 From: Arlington, VA, US Registered: Dec 2013
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posted 09-13-2016 06:22 PM
It looks like all of the Michael Collins watercolors have been signed as M. Collins, not Michael Collins as all of the paintings currently on Novaspace have been. The ones on auction also all seem to be significantly older. Did his painting signature change over the years? |
Chuckster01 Member Posts: 873 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 09-13-2016 07:16 PM
I was just reading another thread about how his older signatures were Michael and he later condensed to M Collins or Mike Collins.I have no idea on his artwork signatures. |
Bob M Member Posts: 1746 From: Atlanta-area, GA USA Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 09-25-2016 11:05 AM
With the Regency-Superior/Richard Stonely auction ending soon on Sept. 29, it's important to alert bidders of some additional autograph problem lots, other than the several lots that have been properly withdrawn. Besides myself, several others have noted additional lots that range from questionable, that bidders should avoid, to others fairly obviously bad. - As noted above, Lot 23, with several X-15 signed covers, contains very suspect Thompson and Knight signatures, with the key autograph, Walker's, also suspect.
- Lot 119, Apollo 10 cover, is suspect, with at least a bad Stafford.
- Lot 146, Apollo 14 cover, with at least a bad Shepard.
- Lot 255, a very questionable Armstrong stamp sheet.
- And lot 97, Apollo 7 cover, previously judged okay, has been questioned because of the Eisele signature that compares closely to known Eisele German fakes.
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bklyn55 Member Posts: 361 From: Milford, CT Registered: Dec 2014
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posted 09-26-2016 06:14 PM
Anyone have an opinion on Lot 106, the Bill Anders signature? |
Bob M Member Posts: 1746 From: Atlanta-area, GA USA Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 09-27-2016 09:12 AM
Many agree that lot 106, Apollo 8 crew signed cover, is something to avoid. |
Chuckster01 Member Posts: 873 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Jan 2014
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posted 09-29-2016 03:17 PM
I missed today's auction but from looking at the results it would appear the final price on many items were amazingly low with a lot of passed lots. Did not look like a great day for a space auction unless you where buying. |
davidcwagner Member Posts: 799 From: Albuquerque, New Mexico Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 09-29-2016 04:41 PM
I won Lot 14, the 1928 Charles Lindbergh signed print, for a very low price $425. Opinions on this item welcomed. |
milkit1 Member Posts: 271 From: Springfield Illinois USA Registered: Sep 2015
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posted 09-29-2016 07:41 PM
I won the space plate signed by 19 and the Grissom and Young autographs. |
SpaceAholic Member Posts: 4437 From: Sierra Vista, Arizona Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 09-29-2016 07:44 PM
Doesn't appear the Diablo meteorwrong sold either. |
cosmos-walter Member Posts: 691 From: Salzburg, Austria Registered: Jun 2003
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posted 10-01-2016 08:18 AM
Did anybody of you win the great Alan Bean and the desirable Alexey Leonov originals? |