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Topic: [Goldberg] Space memorabilia auction (June 2015)
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SClarkson Member Posts: 23 From: Fairfield, Registered: Sep 2012
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posted 06-14-2015 03:07 PM
Goldberg's next space memorabilia auction is scheduled for June 28, 2015 at about 12:00 Pacific time. (The time is not exact because there is a collectibles sale that proceeds space.) As always there are many unique items sure to draw interest. A few highlights include an amazing "Omega Speedmaser Mission Collection," a complete set of 23 stainless steel automatic chronograph bracelet watches each honoring a manned mission (this is set #14 of only 22). A small piece of the airship Hindenburg strut (seldom available), a moon rock containment vessel, an extremely rare autographed Apollo 11 signed Bendix cover, and ASTP Flight Dynamics Officer's Console handbook used in Houston Mission Control during flight. There are many other items that are sure to be affordable. (A few of my personal favorites are the Mercury 7 signed ECHO 1 display and Flight Dynamic's Office's Personal handbooks and Cue Cards.) Be sure to register with Goldberg's so you are all set to bid. Bids can be submitted online in advance of the sale or on the 28th when the auction is underway. Good luck all. |
Indy500 Member Posts: 24 From: Indianapolis, IN, USA Registered: Jun 2015
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posted 06-28-2015 05:23 PM
About a week ago I started getting ready for the Goldberg auction. I got registered and started looking at the items and sending email questions. *Most* of my questions went unanswered! Numerous items they didn't even have a picture of and of some of the ones they did, they put the items in a massive pile covering each other and took one low-res picture. Is that how most of these auctions work? |
Indy500 Member Posts: 24 From: Indianapolis, IN, USA Registered: Jun 2015
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posted 06-28-2015 08:22 PM
I'll do my part and give a little review. I'm personally focusing on Apollo flown objects so I don't cover the rest. It seemed like many of the items went for a song! A significant portion of them went for less than the bottom of the listed range.From the items listed in the first post: - The "Omega Speedmaser Mission Collection" went for $44,000 - range $80,000-$100,000.
- Hindenburg strut $100 - range $200-$300.
- Apollo Moon rock containment vessel $3,200 - range $800-$1,000. Not sure why this went for so much since it states it was unused.
- 1969 Apollo 11 crew signed Bendix cover $3,100 - range $3,500-$5,000
- 1975 Apollo-Soyuz Flight Dynamics Officer's Console Handbook $420 - range $800-$1,000
Of the lots I was watching: - Lot 1002: 1969 Apollo 11 FLOWN Kapton foil fragment went for $180 - range $200-$300. It was a beautifully framed piece with COA. I emailed to ask who signed the COA on Tuesday but never got a reply. I learned from you guys, "don't buy unless you are sure" so I let this one go by even though it killed me to do it.
- Lot 1003: 1969 Apollo 11 FLOWN Kaptan foil fragment went for $180 - range $200-$300. It was another beautifully framed piece with COA. Again, I emailed to ask who signed the COA on Tuesday but never got a reply. If I had a bunch of money this would have been well worth the gamble. On eBay these items sell for $350 but they are way better documented. Is it normal to have to take risks like this on these auctions? I guess if you are actually there you can look at the items in person. That would make things a lot easier.
Surprising things to me: - Lot 1067: 1970 Apollo 13 FLOWN LM webbing strap - two 5" pieces. The range was $250-$500. I *knew* these would go for far, far more because someone could cut them up and make a killing. I was right. Lot 1067 went for $1,450
- Lot 1068: 1970 Apollo 13 FLOWN LM webbing strap - five pieces ranging from 1.5" to 3". Same observation as above. Went for $1,100. I'll probably be buying a 1/8"x1/8" piece from the winner for $250 sometime in the future!
- 1970 Apollo 13 FLOWN ablative aft heatshield fragments - listed for $200-$300. Went for $1,100. I'm guessing it must be because headshield fragments from Apollo 13 are rare?
- Lot 1077: 1971 Apollo 15 FLOWN Apollo lunar sample return container rivet - listed for $300-$400. Thought it would go for a lot more because of its uniqueness. I was right. Went for $1,800.
- Lot 1083: 1972 Apollo 17 FLOWN USA flag - listed for $2,000-$3,000. Went for $4,800. Remind me not to collect flown flags - I can't afford them!
What I learned from my first auction: - I guess you have to physically be there to get all your questions answered on some items - especially questions on provenance. On some items they did a good job by saying things like "Ken Havekotte COA" or actually having the provenance in the image. Others they did a terrible job on. It seemed like if you were willing to risk it you could get some incredible deals. It also seemed like the people in attendance had the upper hand because they could get their questions answered and see more than a single picture.
- If you are on the Internet, you have to bid quickly. I don't know what the video lag was but they move very quickly and it seemed some items were sold before the text was done scrolling and I have a 50Mbps connection. My advice would be to "be bold" if you are bidding on the Internet.
- I was amazed that they would take several lots of "consignment balance" and not give an image and do a poor description on these lots. Seemed like a disservice to the seller. If you were physically there I'll bet those were a deal of a lifetime. The description said things like "autographs". Autographs of who? Also said, "personal signed Apollo 11 flight plan". Signed by whom? The astronauts? If so, that lot was the deal of the century. I had emailed for more information on these lots and got zip from Goldbergs.
All in all very exciting for a newbie. If I would have had more money or received more information from Goldbergs I would have bid on several items. I'll probably be sticking to the other auction sites in the future because they have multiple images and much better descriptions. They are also way better at answering questions. For example, I emailed a question to RR Auction on a closed auction item and they actually *called* me to make sure I got my answer! |
spaced out Member Posts: 3110 From: Paris, France Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 06-29-2015 04:03 AM
I've picked up some nice items over the years at Goldberg auctions but the issue with "consignment balance" lots is an old one, and indeed is very frustrating for the 99.99% of potential buyers who can't attend the auctions in person. Regency-Superior do the same thing by the way. If you're lucky they'll show a photo of two or three items out of a hundred, or just maybe the top view of an open box.I can certainly understand that it would take a huge effort to go through the boxes itemizing the content, but taking a few photos of the content spread out on a table top would take just a couple of minutes and would generate much higher results for the consignor, and therefore higher fees for the auctioneer. I really can't understand why they don't do this. I can only assume it is done to reward their in-person bidders and keep them loyal/happy, even if this is to the detriment of their own consignors. Incidentally, your report above goes to show that some of the listings were unnecessarily confusing: Lot 1067 indeed showed two 5" pieces of webbing strap (or possibly two views of one piece) but if you read the description only one was being sold. Even more confusingly, lot 1068 showed five pieces of webbing strap but again only one was being sold, although it apparently came with a COA for four of the pieces. Why they couldn't have taken a photo of just the piece being sold, or cropped the photo to just this piece I really don't know. I imagine all of these strapping pieces and kapton foil pieces are going to be cut up into micro presentations. What's unfortunate is that the provenance is actually rather weak at this point (although I'll agree that the items are likely as described) but once re-processed into new presentations people will take it for granted that everything has rock-solid provenance. |
Indy500 Member Posts: 24 From: Indianapolis, IN, USA Registered: Jun 2015
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posted 06-29-2015 07:44 AM
Wow! You're right! They certainly did a *very* poor job on the description of the webbing they were selling. I wonder if some poor Internet bidder is going to get one piece in the mail and wonder where the other piece or four pieces are?
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mode1charlie Member Posts: 1169 From: Honolulu, HI Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 06-29-2015 06:26 PM
Echoing the comments above, I was a bidder on Lot 1077: 1971 Apollo 15 flown Apollo lunar sample return container rivet (and did not win). I would have gone higher had there been more solid information on the provenance, which was minimal at best. |
bunnkwio Member Posts: 113 From: Naperville, IL USA Registered: Jul 2008
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posted 06-30-2015 08:44 AM
I agree about the rivet, and was interested in that piece. I found some photos from the Smithsonian showing the container and what looked to be the same type of rivets, but that is all I could find. And those used 'rock boxes' had the rivets still intact, so I'm unsure how that particular one was crushed and removed. Again, all in the background information...The question I have is that the Apollo 16 IU-511 presentation was desrcibed to be flown, but I have always thought that the thermal insulation was a sample of what was flown, and not actually flown. |
Ken Havekotte Member Posts: 2915 From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 06-30-2015 09:34 AM
You are correct, the IBM awarded certificate for Apollo 16's Instrument Unit-511 was not flown. | |
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