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Robert Pearlman
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posted 05-19-2015 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lunar Legacies has announced that its 17th space memorabilia auction is scheduled for Saturday, July 25, 2015. The auction lots (for preview only) are now beginning to listed on the Lunar Legacies website.

Consignments are still be accepted through the end of June. For more information, email Lunar Legacies.

lunarlegacies
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posted 07-06-2015 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lunarlegacies   Click Here to Email lunarlegacies     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 17th Lunar Legacies Space Memorabilia auction will be held on Saturday, July 25, 2015 at the website Invaluable and will be live starting at 9 a.m. Pacific time. It will also be available through eBay live auctions for bidding.

There are currently over 700 lots in this auction and they can be previewed here. Uploading of the lots to the Invaluable site for bidding will be completed no later that 10 to 12 days before the auction.

This auction will feature a wide variety of items as usual from all programs.

I will be sending out updates as the auction is uploaded and nears, and please email me with any questions you may have. Thanks! — Don Willis

mjanovec
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posted 07-06-2015 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Gemini 7 photo has all the hallmarks of being a German-sourced forgery. Certainly, I believe the signatures of Armstrong, Lovell, Borman, Collins, and White are direct matches to other German forgery examples. But I would strongly suspect that all (or most) of the signatures are German forgeries.

Beyond the hallmarks of the forgery styles, other things just don't add up about this photo. When you examine the signature styles, most are signed in styles that weren't regularly used until the late 60s or much later (including those of the Gemini 7 crew). The only signature with a Gemini-era style is that of Ed White...meaning White would have been the first signer on this photo. One has to ask why would White sign a red serial Gemini 7 photo when he had access to an abundance of Gemini 4 photos (and lithos) to sign? While anything is possible, it falls into the realm of extremely unlikely.

So even if one isn't well-versed on certain forgery styles, there are other clues here that this item is suspicious.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 07-07-2015 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for bringing this up, Mark. Enough time has passed since this forger was known to be active that it is an important reminder.

Regrettably this is undoubtedly a product of the "German" forger in my opinion. For newer members, this relatively skilled forger who was prolific in the late 90s through the early 2000s. The reason he is referred to as the German is because his work most often sourced from a few German-based sellers. There is credible speculation about who the forger is, but he is slippery and it's tough to "prove" what you often "know." (Of course, there are many fine and credible German sellers... this isn't meant to be a condemnation of them all.)

In my opinion, all the signatures in the white border are undoubtedly matches to the known fake styles.

I can't be conclusive without having it in hand, but the Duke, Cernan and Gordon **may** be okay. These signatures do not match the style produced by the forger in question and he did not typically add inscriptions.

The forger is brazen and one of his traits is mixing in good signatures with bad or adding bad signatures to complete an item with authentic signatures on it. Also, what I have seen is people will buy a bad piece and then add real signatures through signings, etc.

Other traits to note common to this forger:

  • He used NASA glossies with "generic" images such as the surface of the moon, earth from space, etc... often red serial numbers.
  • Often "fantasy" assemblages of signatures. I've seen all moon voyager multi-signed (every one was fake), all Gemini astronauts, Mercury 7 on unique pose, etc.
  • He knows the signing habits of the astronauts and often used the right type of pens, proper placement, etc. This is consistent with the belief of some that the forger is part of the collecting community.

mjanovec
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posted 07-07-2015 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with your assessment about certain center signatures that might be real, Steve...though I admittedly didn't pay them too much attention to them after seeing that so many of the other signatures matched the German forgery style. I suspect these were later additions by a well-meaning collector who wanted to round out the photo. (The addition of Duke was, however, an odd choice no matter how you slice it.)

I also don't recall seeing many (if any) of the German forgeries done with metallic inks. Perhaps this is because regular black felt tip pen is much easier to "wipe" in the case the forger makes a blunder. Even a skilled forger is going to make mistakes that require a redo...especially on a multi-signed piece.

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posted 07-07-2015 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't have a chance to review all of the auction lots last night. In the meantime, another collector pointed me in the direction of a photo I hadn't previously seen. This photo also contains several suspect signatures that match the German forgery styles:

As one can see, this photo is also a good match for the traits that Steve outlined in his post above... generic image, fantasy assemblage, etc.

I think there may be a mix of forgeries and authentic signatures here, but I see enough clues here that leave me suspicious of many of the signatures including, but not limited to, the Armstrong, White, Anders, Lovell, Borman, Swigert, and Evans.

mjanovec
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posted 07-07-2015 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Going through the Shuttle lots, the STS-51L signed photo is also suspicious. While the signatures are generally close to the authentic styles, there are tells that make them suspect in appearance.

Perhaps the biggest red flag was the inclusion of the inscription "Shuttle Pilot" below Dick Scobee's name. As most are already aware, Mike Smith was the Pilot for this mission and Dick Scobee was the Commander. While some might mistakenly confuse those two titles, I suspect Dick Scobee did not suffer from that sort of confusion!

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posted 07-07-2015 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chet   Click Here to Email chet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also don't recall ever seeing one of these where Onizuka signed his name right across Smith's face.

Mike Dixon
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posted 07-07-2015 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dixon   Click Here to Email Mike Dixon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't see a single authentic sig on that 51L.

My opinion of course. They look NOTHING like the real samples I have on file.

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posted 07-10-2015 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Silver   Click Here to Email Silver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about this one? I can't help but notice a lot of similarities. Aldrin may be real?

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posted 07-10-2015 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find myself being less worried about this piece and think it is most likely authentic. Most of the signatures have the appearance of being from recent-day signings... possibly Novaspace or autograph show signings. The Young and Collins signatures might be earlier in-person signatures, if I had to make a guess. I don't see any matches to the German forgery styles in the other two multi-signed items.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 07-13-2015 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Silver:
How about this one? I can't help but notice a lot of similarities. Aldrin may be real?
I agree that most of the signatures on this photo are likely authentic, but I have concerns about the "John Young" signature. It bears a striking similarity to a known fake style with the shapes of the loops and an overall small and weak appearance. The type of photo also matches the common "generic" style photo used by the forger in question.

While I can't be definitive due to the small size of the image, I suspect someone may have started with a bad Young and added good signatures.

mjanovec
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posted 07-14-2015 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After discussing the image in question with Steve, I now share his belief that the Young signature is suspiciously close to some other forgeries that he recently identified. Therefore one may wish to exercise caution if planning on bidding on this item, unless Lunar Legacies has some good provenance for the Young signature that could establish authenticity (like a Novaspace photo COA).

Robert Pearlman
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posted 07-14-2015 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From Lunar Legacies:
The uploading of the Lunar Legacies auction to Invaluable/Auction Zip has been completed, and it is ready for viewing and pre-bidding (you must register at Invaluable to bid).

There are some descriptions left to write and all should be completed by Friday (July 17) or possibly Saturday, but the bidding numbers are correct and you may pre-bid now if you so choose once you are registered.

Lunar Legacies does accept mail-in bids so if you cannot be there live for the auction, please email lunarlegacies@gmail.com with your list, and they will bid for you. All mail bids must be confirmed received.

Highlights in this auction include:

  • Items from the Jack Lousma collection including many more Skylab and STS-3 training manuals.

  • Items from the Walt Cunningham collection including much of his T-38 flight gear along with his Gemini-era flight suit.

  • Several STS-107 Columbia crew-signed items.

lunarlegacies
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posted 07-15-2015 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lunarlegacies   Click Here to Email lunarlegacies     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have read the concerns above and will take the appropriate actions, such as removing the lot or lots, and I appreciate it.

On another topic, my last auction March there was some concern over bidders possibly bidding against themselves, and I have talked at length to Invaluable about this. As it was happening, I even thought that was happening myself, and ended several lots early to prevent it.

However, I eventually figured out that the same paddle number appearing over and over again was simply an internet bidder moving up a pre-bid amount, and the screen not showing the internet bid number, but only the pre-bidder number. Once the pre-bid was topped out, the internet bidder number was shown.

I have looked at the bid histories of many of those affected lots, and there was no one bidding against themselves. Invaluable doesn't understand why this happened, and hopefully it won't occur this auction.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 07-21-2015 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From Lunar Legacies:
The auction is online at Invaluable.

The 17th Lunar Legacies Space Memorabilia auction is fast approaching and is scheduled to start on Saturday, July 25, 2015 promptly at 9:00 a.m. US Pacific Time, which is 12 noon EDT, 5:00 p.m. UK time, 6:00 p.m. for most of Western Europe time and pretty early in the morning Australian time. To view the auction now, go to invaluable.com, and hit the "Auctioneer Directory" link and find Lunar Legacies, or follow the link here.

Pre-bidding is now open, but you can bid live real-time, one lot at a time, on Saturday July, 25. The auction averages about 60 to 80 lots per hour.

Mail-in Bids: If you cannot be at the auction and wish me to bid for you, I must have all mail-in bids to me by Friday night. Please also make sure I confirm their receipt or they will not be valid.

Invaluable/Auction Zip will make the auction live to the public about 15 to 20 minutes before the auction start time, and at that time you should be able to see the first lot up on your screen and be all set to go.

After the auction, it will take me a couple days to generate all the final invoices and to email them out, so I please ask for your patience with that. I must make over 100 piles of lots and figure up over 100 postage amounts.

We hope to see you there and good luck!

Sam Que
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posted 07-24-2015 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sam Que   Click Here to Email Sam Que     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just noticed that the auction is available through eBay as well as Invaluable. Is one better than the other to use? Just curious, a couple of items I was going to bid on.

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posted 07-24-2015 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eems   Click Here to Email eems     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In March I used eBay and won an item but about half way through the auction it stopped working (tried other browsers as well without success) and I had to register with invaluable to keep bidding on items. If you decide to use eBay I would still register with invaluable just in case.

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posted 08-04-2015 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceFerris   Click Here to Email SpaceFerris     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On a positive note, I was very pleased with the item I won at this auction and it just arrived in the mail. My "JR" (JR Lousma) crew initialed STS-3 Crew patch was much larger than the AB Emblem and LB patches and more detailed. It will make a great display piece when I frame it with the autographed crew photo I have. Great experience.

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quote:
Originally posted by eems:
If you decide to use eBay I would still register with invaluable just in case.
Won a NASA STS-114 flown bookmark using eBay, it came today and is fantastic!

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