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BLivingston
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posted 08-26-2013 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BLivingston   Click Here to Email BLivingston     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Consign with RR Auction for our space themed auction

For more than 30 years, RR Auction has been bringing the best artifacts, autographs and manuscripts to the market every month.

Our special November 2013 Space and Aviation auction features a section devoted to high-quality flown items and autographs from aviation pioneers and history-making NASA astronauts, among other noteworthy historic figures.

We're seeking astronaut-certified flown artifacts, Apollo flown flags and Robbins medals, crew signed NASA photographs, and exceptional aviation material both signed and unsigned.

Our consignment deadline is September 20th. If you have something worthy of inclusion in our next Space and Aviation sale contact Bob Eaton today at bob@rrauction.com.

rgarner
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posted 08-26-2013 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgarner   Click Here to Email rgarner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When will the catalogue be available online?

SpaceAholic
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posted 10-25-2013 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Online now.

Spacehardware
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posted 10-29-2013 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spacehardware   Click Here to Email Spacehardware     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, have read the description and stared at all the labels but I can't see which documents show that the Lot 636 earpieces are flown and are Jim Irwin's. Searching for the familiar bright yellow label. Anybody help out the 'challenged'? Ta!

BLivingston
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posted 10-29-2013 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BLivingston   Click Here to Email BLivingston     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
David, I understand your concern. The yellow removal tag would have been removed when the headset was used in training.

Despite the missing tag, the lot includes scans of the documents (such as the ASHUR) that show that this is the headset Irwin wore during the Apollo 15 mission. The tags shown on the bag included with the lot relate to the headset being cleaned and bagged circa 1995-1996 for possible later use in training.

The headset was no longer needed by NASA and was sold by GSA in 2010. A digital copy of that receipt is also included with the lot.

Remember, RR Auction guarantees the authenticity of the items that we sell and we have had this policy for over 30 years.

Please let me know if you have further questions.

Spacehardware
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posted 10-29-2013 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spacehardware   Click Here to Email Spacehardware     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bobby, many thanks for the info. Can you send me the scans of the docs not shown on the listing, or let me know where I can access them?

rgarner
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posted 10-29-2013 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgarner   Click Here to Email rgarner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know about the rest of you, but I plan on having no savings left by the end of November!

Ken Havekotte
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posted 10-29-2013 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Finally there will be a fully intact flown shuttle orbiter nose gear tire (right side) up for auction by RR starting in November (Lot #777).

It flew on shuttle Atlantis on Mission STS-79 in Sept. 1996. STS-79 flew as the 17th flight of Atlantis, the 4th Shuttle-Mir docking, which became the 32nd KSC landing in Florida.

Atlantis on this 10-day mission made 160 earth orbits after logging nearly 4 million statute miles in space.

This will be the only fully intact orbiter nose gear tire that will be available by a public auction from my own shuttle collection.

BLivingston
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posted 10-29-2013 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BLivingston   Click Here to Email BLivingston     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Additional documents have been posted on the lot 636 detail page.

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 10-30-2013 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some fantastic auctions items. Where is that lottery win when I need it!!!

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posted 10-31-2013 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A couple of observations:
  • Don't miss the super-rare Mike Adams signed photo hidden in Lot 126!

  • Lot 387. This type of presentation has been around before and there was a debate over (1) what was actually flown - patch or treaty, and (2) provenance of either having flown. Is there any provenance or documentary evidence?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 11-04-2013 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RR Auction release
The World's Most Important and Historically Significant Lunar Bible Collection Up For Auction

The Lawrence McGlynn Lunar Bible Collection and Archive Being Offered to the Public for the First Time

Lot 298, the Lawrence McGlynn Lunar Flown Bible Collection and Archive, is a collection that is as unique as it is historic. When humanity first left the Earth's cradle, embarking upon the historic race for the moon and the stars at the end of the last century's cold war, a select few of the brave Apollo explorers ascended into the heavens carrying with them not just the hopes and dreams of a nation, but also the sacred and immortal words of all 1,245 pages of the King James Bible.

Carried aboard the historic flights of Apollo 12, 13, and 14, these sacred texts bear witness to the enduring and pivotal role of faith and spirituality in the human experience. RRAuction is pleased to announce that it will be offering the McGlynn Lunar Bible Collection as part of its globally popular Space and Aviation Autograph and Artifact Auction. The auction is scheduled to take place from November 14th to November 21st, 2013 online at www.rrauction.com.

"Flown in the form of microfilm bibles – a form chosen for its cutting edge technology of the day over 40 years ago, and for its compact size and weight – this amazing and massive bible collection represents a once-in-a-generation opportunity to own the world's most complete and one-of-a-kind sets of flown lunar bibles," said Bobby Livingston, Vice President, Sales & Marketing for RRAuction. "The rarity and uniqueness, not to mention the value, of this collection can not be overstated."

Highlights of the impressive McGlynn Lunar Bible Collection include the following:

  • The only complete set of lunar orbit and surface flown, 1.5 inch square microfilm bibles from Apollo flights 12, 13 and 14 – each including all 1,245 pages of the King James bible.

  • The only bible ever flown to the Moon on Apollo 12. This bible is stored in a custom, hand-crafted housing made of nearly 12 troy ounces of solid 22K gold, and inset with a large ruby and pearls.

  • A flown Apollo 13 bible affixed to its original, crew signed NASA stationary certificate, and originating from one of the founding members and second-in-rank of the Apollo Prayer League.

  • An Apollo 14 lunar surface flown bible which actually flew to the moon twice – first aboard Apollo 13, but did not land on the moon due to a near-catastrophic explosion. This bible is stored in a custom, hand-crafted housing made of 6.6 ounces of 22K red gold, and inset with rubies and pearls.

  • The only microfilm "Honor Role" ever flown to the moon, which contains the names of the individuals and organizations that made the bibles possible – including such luminaries as former President George Herbert Walker Bush and former Secretary of State James Baker.

  • The flown, lunar surface PPK (or "personal preference kit") beta-cloth bag of lunar module pilot Edgar Mitchell, in which he carried the twice flown bible to the Frau Mauro highlands of the Moon.

  • It is also important to note that the Apollo 14 bible originates from the family of Apollo 1 astronaut Edward H. White II, whose tragic and untimely death, along with his fellow Apollo 1 crew members Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee, inspired the creation of the Apollo Prayer league and the global efforts to send the bible to the moon.

  • An unprecedented and impressive, three volumes of research and original provenance documentation on the history, lineage and authenticity of both the bibles and the Apollo Prayer League.
"I have spent my adult life researching and assembling this complete collection of lunar flown bibles," said Lawrence McGlynn, an established space artifact collector, historian, and appraiser, and the private consignor of this historically significant collection. "With only one flown microfilm Apollo Prayer League Honor Role, and only one flown complete King James Bible aboard the Apollo 12 mission, coupled with the PPK bag that flew a bible to the lunar surface, there is no other collection like it in the world."

RRAuction estimates the value of this collection at between $180,000 and $225,000. "Given its uniqueness and appeal to not only space artifact collectors, but also collectors of religious artifacts and manuscripts, our estimate might prove to be rather conservative," added Livingston.

To see this amazing lot, as well as to review the other 890+ aviation and space artifacts, manuscripts and autographs in this outstanding auction, please go to the RRAuction website at rrauction.com. Or contact Bobby Livingston at bl@rrauction.com.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 11-04-2013 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’m surprised there hasn’t been any discussion of the Jim Irwin unpersonalized WSS with the lengthy inscription. "Jim Irwin, Apollo 15 LMP, 8th moon walker, the chance of a lifetime." This is the nicest example I can recall ever seeing! Lot 663

Tons of great signed items. Here I am reviewing a large stack of goodies!

Ken Havekotte
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posted 11-04-2013 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve, believe it or not, I had Col. Irwin sign and inscribe the exact same photo currently in this auction at my Merritt Island, FL, home in July 1987. It was sold many years ago as there is a second one, but inscribed to me, which I am keeping.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 11-04-2013 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice, Ken! I was wondering what the story was behind the SP and how someone coaxed such a nice inscription out of him. Did he ever mention why he didn't like signing that pose?

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posted 11-11-2013 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benfairfax   Click Here to Email benfairfax     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really wish I had the $$$ to buy this particular Irwin Litho. It's the only one missing from my moonwalker collection. It will fetch a very high price I think.

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posted 11-15-2013 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greggy_D   Click Here to Email Greggy_D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bidding is now open.

Philip
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posted 11-15-2013 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like an amazing auction and the trend seem "up all the way" as far a space collecting goes anno 2013...

Would certainly like to go through those "goodies" at the table of Steve Zarelli.

benfairfax
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posted 11-18-2013 05:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for benfairfax   Click Here to Email benfairfax     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Item #724 Ken Mattingly WSS should be in the Apollo 16 section. Hard to find if you are looking for it.

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posted 11-18-2013 05:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Speaking of things out of place, am I the only one to get wound up by seeing the ASTP section placed before the Skylab section in space auctions?

BLivingston
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posted 11-18-2013 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BLivingston   Click Here to Email BLivingston     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for pointing out your cataloging concerns. We have corrected them per your suggestions.

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posted 11-18-2013 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Besixdouze   Click Here to Email Besixdouze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It strikes me item #687 Ken Mattingly WSS should be in the Apollo 13 section. Check the background out against the Lovell and Haise WSS shots and it's obvious they were taken at the same time.

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posted 11-18-2013 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benfairfax   Click Here to Email benfairfax     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ken Mattingly actually flew on Apollo 16, so it should be there. If you notice Gene Cernan only did one WSS portrait with an Apollo 10 patch. That's just how it is.

Jack Swigert did his portrait after the flight I think, that is why his is the same background as Mattingly. The original Apollo 13 background was the stars ilk Lovell's and Haise's.

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posted 11-19-2013 02:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Besixdouze   Click Here to Email Besixdouze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with you on item 724, which is Mattingly's official NASA portrait for Apollo 16. I'm talking about item 687, which is Mattingly's official NASA portrait for Apollo 13 and, for historical accuracy, should be in the Apollo 13 section.

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posted 11-19-2013 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for benfairfax   Click Here to Email benfairfax     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fair enough.

Item #656 Dave Scott is actually a picture of Irwin saluting. Description is not accurate. Nice SP though.

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posted 11-21-2013 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Associated Press picked up on Lot 140:
In October 1961, Gus Grissom glumly confided to his mother in a letter that is now up for auction that he and his fellow Mercury 7 astronauts resented John Glenn after he was picked to be the first American to orbit the Earth.

Within the famously competitive group, Glenn had emerged as the face of the space program, while Grissom was reticent in front of the press. When he wrote to his mother, Grissom was still stinging from his Liberty Bell 7 flight on July 21, 1961, that ended with a blown hatch, a sunken space capsule and accusations that the former Air Force fighter pilot had panicked.

"The flight crew for the orbital mission has been picked and I'm not on it," he writes in slanting script, each line of blue ink climbing slightly from left to right on the Project Mercury letterhead. "Of course I've been feeling pretty low for the past few days. All of us are mad because Glenn was picked. But we expressed our views prior to the selection so there isn't much we can do about it but support the flight and the program."

The letter is being auctioned online by RR Auction of Amherst, N.H., which got it from Grissom's brother, Lowell.

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posted 11-21-2013 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceflori   Click Here to Email spaceflori     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe that's the reason why the site is so slow right now? Anybody else experiencing website problems? Already emailed them...

Servers answering very slowly.

rgarner
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posted 11-21-2013 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgarner   Click Here to Email rgarner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been going through the auction myself and the speed has been fine. I think the problem may have been either with your computer or simply a temporary issue as it has been working fine for me.

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posted 11-21-2013 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fredtrav   Click Here to Email fredtrav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did have a problem at the end. It showed I had a minute left to bid, but when I put my bid in it showed the item was closed and I missed out.

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posted 11-22-2013 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see lot 663, the Irwin SP, finished at $9,979 (including fees). I know Irwin WSS SPs are rare and this one has a nice inscription but that seems an extraordinary amount of money to me.

Another kind of item I don't really get is lot 435 — an Apollo 11 insurance cover — at $19,102 (including fees). Comparing this to artifacts that were actually flown to the moon on the mission for the same or even significantly less money... I guess I just don't get the appeal, and I just can't help recalling the image of a table covered (for want of a better word) in Apollo 11 insurance covers.

On the other hand there were definitely some items in the sale that more than justified their hefty closing prices.

If I was in that kind of league I would definitely have gone for the Apollo 14 camera calibration plate at $45,578 (including fees). That's a true piece of history.

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posted 11-22-2013 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51mission   Click Here to Email p51mission     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There has been a nice Apollo 11 Insurance cover selling for $8999.99 over the past month on eBay from a reputable seller. It doesn't take much effort to save yourself $10,0000.

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posted 11-22-2013 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceflori   Click Here to Email spaceflori     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe because it comes from the Michael Collins' collection? I haven't tracked the insurance covers closely, but to me it seems most originate from the Aldrin line so far with few from Collins (same with the flown Apollo 11 covers).

I assume an insurance cover from Armstrong (if there is one) would fetch $100,000.

Same with Irwin, if you have a complete set of uninscribed WSS only lacking Irwin. I would have paid it, too, in order to complete a set.

Collectors are nuts (including myself) — this has nothing to do with market value or realistic prices, it's just "I need to have this to complete a set."

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posted 11-22-2013 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wouldn't discount the venue as the primary reason... some bidders who leverage auction houses and for whom actual cost is inconsequential may not want to deal with the anonymity of eBay or just don't have the time/inclination to seek value.

For those individuals the additional cost is worth the convenience and security of dealing with an institution like RR.

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posted 11-22-2013 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NASA Glenn   Click Here to Email NASA Glenn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did anyone catch what happened to the Saturn 1 display model? I cannot find it in the auction results.

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posted 11-22-2013 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spacehardware   Click Here to Email Spacehardware     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by spaced out:
If I was in that kind of league I would definitely have gone for the Apollo 14 camera calibration plate at $45,578 (including fees). That's a true piece of history.
The Apollo calibration plate was such a simple, but wonderful piece. Amazing how a 6" square plate can so capture the imagination.

Unfortunately way above my budget, but at least it afforded me an early bedtime for once. I would love to be able to compete at that level and am very happy for the lucky winner. I hope it brings you many hours of pleasure. Show it to as many people as you can. Enjoy!

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posted 11-22-2013 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NASA Glenn:
Did anyone catch what happened to the Saturn 1 display model?
I am not sure the exact amount but I thought it was around $5,100.

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posted 11-22-2013 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SkyMan1958   Click Here to Email SkyMan1958     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NASA Glenn:
Did anyone catch what happened to the Saturn 1 display model?
Assuming you are talking about the Saturn 1B model, lot 335, it did not sell, e.g. it didn't make it's reserve. Last bid WITH commission took it to $6,230.

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posted 11-23-2013 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for racso184   Click Here to Email racso184     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wanted to ask, in lot #790 (Shuttle Protective Panel), there is a Form 93-H tag. Does anyone know what were these used for? Also is it wise to leave the tag on or remove it and place it somewhere else on the panel?

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posted 11-23-2013 05:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SkyMan1958:
Assuming you are talking about the Saturn 1B model, lot 335, it did not sell, e.g. it didn't make it's reserve. Last bid WITH commission took it to $6,230.

That is the one. I do think it was listed as a Saturn 1B but it was a Saturn 1. Interesting, I was bidding on it for a while and never saw an indication there was some sort of high reserve. I will need to look closer next time myself. Thanks.

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posted 11-23-2013 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greggy_D   Click Here to Email Greggy_D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure if RR displays if a particular lot has a reserve. I do not remember seeing them do so. It may be one of those situations where you find out after the fact when all bidding closes.


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