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benguttery
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posted 01-23-2009 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heritage Galleries Auction 6022

Very nice items from the collection of an astronaut named John Young. Looks like fun. April 1, 2009.

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posted 01-23-2009 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilbasso   Click Here to Email ilbasso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I shorted out my keyboard by drooling on it...

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posted 01-24-2009 03:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just when you think they can't possibly come up with any more incredible flown items...

gliderpilotuk
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posted 01-24-2009 06:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Especially good if you like collecting used passports.

ilbasso
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Passports can tell quite a story! I have my dad's from the mid-60's when he was traveling every week between Cambodia, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, and the Philippines. It was incredible to trace his travels.

benguttery
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posted 01-26-2009 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was kind enough to offer some consignments which were rejected because they were not valued over $5,000 each.

mjanovec
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posted 01-27-2009 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These Heritage Auctions definitely have some mouth-watering lots. But it does seem like their aim is to only cater towards high dollar collectors, which effectively shuts out a lot of us average collectors.

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What fantastic artifacts there are though, I'd love that STS-1 patch set, awesome, and all the others come to think of it.

Gonna be some nice additions to some peoples collections.

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posted 01-29-2009 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for space1   Click Here to Email space1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by benguttery:
I was kind enough to offer some consignments which were rejected because they were not valued over $5,000 each.
My understanding is that each lot should be valued at $1,000 or more, and all of the consigned lots combined should be valued at $5,000 or more. So that would eliminate many popular collectibles.

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Oh man! My wife is going to kill me...

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posted 02-17-2009 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greggy_D   Click Here to Email Greggy_D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does Heritage offer a live internet bidding format?

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Does Heritage offer a live internet bidding format?
Yes, they have their own live bidding format through their website. I think it's far superior to the eBay Live format.

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Heritage release
Space Flown Mementos of Moonwalker John Young, at auction, April 1

First time auction of important NASA astronaut's artifacts in Heritage Space Auction

Never before auctioned space flown mementos from the personal collection of John Young - the first man to fly into space six times, one of only three men to fly to the moon twice, and the only man to pilot four different classes of spacecraft - will highlight the April 1 Space Exploration Auction at Heritage Auction Galleries' uptown Dallas location.

"John Young's storied career is exemplary of what made - and makes - NASA the most visionary force in our exploration of the Solar System," said Michael Riley, Chief Cataloger and Historian at Heritage's Historical venues. "It's a true privilege to offer these new-to-market Space Program treasures."

Among the treasures from the collection are Young's Space flown Space Suit patches from his stint as Commander aboard Gemini 10, and Young's personal 18K Gold Omega Speedmaster Professional Watch, presented to Young in 1969 by the Omega Watch Company. Further complimenting this collection are more of Young's Space flown suit patches, from his various missions on Gemini through the Space Shuttle Columbia, as well as an impressive and exceedingly rare Gemini Foldout Desktop Cockpit Control Training Aide that helped Young master the hundreds of control switches and breakers he would need to control the Gemini space capsule.

Retired U.S. Navy Captain John W. Young was part of the second generation of American astronauts, "The New Nine," as they were known. It was Alan Shepard's inner ear disorder in 1964 that afforded Young his chance to be the first of "The New Nine" to get into Space as the Pilot of Gemini 3. From the moment he first slipped the surly bonds of earth, Young would go on to log 835 hours of Space flight, as well as more than 20 hours of extra-vehicular time on the surface of the moon as Commander of Apollo 16 - he was the ninth man to step on the lunar soil.

"Most of us can only dream of space travel, but John Young did it repeatedly," said Riley. "You may never get to outer space yourself, but this is a chance to own something that's actually been there, and has gone with one of the most distinguished astronauts our nation ever offered."

Young's NASA career spanned 42 years. He retired at the end of 2004. He is an inductee into the Astronaut Hall of Fame, and has been awarded the Congressional Space Medal of Honor as well as three Navy Distinguished Flying Crosses. John Young Parkway, a major highway in central Florida, was named in his honor.

To view the entire catalog, read complete lot descriptions and download fully enlargeable high-resolution images, follow this link.

For more information, please visit HA.com.

Prospective consignors and sellers of Space Exploration memorabilia are invited to ha.com/Sell. Or email Tom Slater at TomS@HA.com, or call 1-800-872-6467, ext. 1441.

To reserve your copy of any Heritage auction catalog, please contact Client Services at 1-800-872-6467, ext. 1150, or visit ha.com/Catalog to order by email.

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posted 03-12-2009 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for daveblog   Click Here to Email daveblog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My hard copy of the catalog arrived today.

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posted 03-15-2009 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lunareagle   Click Here to Email lunareagle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bidding has Begun! WOW! It looks like bids have already been put in for 75% or more of the items.

Having been on the road for 5 of the last 6 weeks, I hadn't had time to really review the items in their organized state. It really is just an incredible crop of the finest space items that I have ever seen in one spot. There is truly something for everyone and every budget.

Even if you are not a buyer, I encourage everyone to view the items and to get one of the catalogues to put back. It is sure to be an important reference in the future.

I know that I often sound like a broken record, but I have to say again, items remaining with these great American heroes is running very thin and the opportunity to acquire important artifacts, like the incredible ones being offered in this sale, is soon to be a fond memory.

Good luck to all and my sincere hopes that everyone is able to secure a treasure for themselves.

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posted 03-22-2009 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
9 days to go...and no catalogue. Anyone in Europe received theirs?

I've tried the website but it is incredibly slow to load enlarged images.

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posted 03-22-2009 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My catalogue arrived on Friday here in Paris.

Bear in mind that if you choose to view the full images online they are very large files. I don't find them particularly slow given their size.

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1 min 20 secs to load a hi-res image over a 10Mb line delivering 2.8Mb downstream. Obviously something wrong - and it's not my firewall.

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posted 03-22-2009 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peter Kemp   Click Here to Email Peter Kemp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Although a previous customer of Heritage I purchased a catalogue for the 1st April sale for $60.00 (including shipping) and this arrived in the UK via FedEx just over a week ago.

A couple of days ago I also received a complimentary copy of the Heritage catalogue sent via USPS and in the same delivery a copy of the Regency-Superior catalogue.

The Heritage catalogue I purchased arrived in fine condition, the covers and pages of the complimentary copy got rather damaged in transit.

Some very interesting and desirable items but most of the Minimum Bid prices a bit beyond my budget as I nearly maxed out my credit card with Donnis.

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posted 03-22-2009 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taneal1   Click Here to Email taneal1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone care to voice an opinion on Gemini 4 lots 41252 41253 41254 regarding authenticity?

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posted 03-22-2009 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All three lots look good to me.

When the last Heritage space auction took place, Scott Cornish mentioned here on CS that he reviews their lots for authenticity, so that should add an extra level of assurance to people wishing to bid on these lots.

Also, I recall the Gemini IV post-recovery photo (along with Lot 41243) was part of a Regency-Superior lot a few years back that was formerly of the Ed White III estate. (It appears the buyer at that time has since added Jim McDivitt to the photo.)

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Originally posted by mjanovec:
All three lots look good to me.
Thanks, Mark!
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Scott Cornish...reviews their lots for authenticity...
No wonder no one's asked any questions regarding authenticity.

Glad to hear that Scott is on the job - it makes a world of difference in *my* confidence level!

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posted 03-31-2009 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lunareagle   Click Here to Email lunareagle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a heads up for everyone who may not be aware.

The on-line bidding closes this evening at 11:00PM Eastern (10:00PM Central). This will be your last opportunity to place (secret) bids and to be sure they are in, in advance of live bidding, which will begin tomorrow afternoon.

I have been asked a few times why one would place a bid in advance of the auction. My only repsonse was an explanation on how my computer froze during an auction years ago which caused me to lose something I wanted.

If you have not placed on-line bids, you will still be able to participate in the live auction, either on-line by registering on-line or by phone, if you make your arrangements with Heritage in advance.

Good Luck to everyone. This is nothing short of an incredible offering of some of the finest space material I have ever seen.

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posted 04-01-2009 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Finally got to see Heritage Live which is cool. Auctioneer not very interesting, but the material is.

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posted 04-01-2009 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for freshspot   Click Here to Email freshspot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone else not getting in to HA live in the second session? All I see is the last item from session one. But I do hear and see the auctioneer.

I'm bummed - several things I wanted to bid on and something I am selling is coming up too.

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posted 04-01-2009 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for freshspot   Click Here to Email freshspot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Called Heritage. They were unaware of problem but confirmed that it was down. They solved the problem. First 26 lots of session two sold without HA live working properly.

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posted 04-01-2009 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I came home from work to make the second lot. I could not make it work either. I gave up and will save my money for another day.

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First 26 lots of session two sold without HA live working properly.
It was working fine for me throughout both sessions. I even successfully placed a bid on one of the early lots in the second session. I did close my bidding window after the first session and re-opened it by clicking on the second session link, just to be safe. So maybe that was the difference.

The bidding format for Heritage is perhaps the best of the bunch. Even if you can't stick around for the entire auction, you can place a proxy bid while the auction is taking place.

I did notice the video was running about 2 seconds behind the bidding, despite closing and re-opening the video window a few times. So one had to be sure to watch the bidding window carefully and not rely on what they were saying... because the lot sometimes closed in real time before you heard the auctioneer close it on the video.

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The live interface is indeed superb. Nicely arranged, all the info right where you can find it, plus live (with a second or two lag it's true) video/audio feed on the page. The Enable/Disable live bidding feature is also excellent in that it allows you to protect yourself from accidental bids but also to participate quickly when you need to.

Some pretty lively bidding in the first session. I don't know who live bidder 7105 was but with over $80k of purchases that I noticed in just a few lots they sure weren't feeling the credit crunch!

There were still some relative bargains out there, e.g.

  • 41014 - Apollo 14 flown US flag and flown LB patch presentation to Ron Evans for $3346, less than the flown Beep Beep patch in the next lot.
  • 41025 - Apollo 17 Ron Evans flown Fisher space pen at $3226, compared to $8365 for a flown pan camera spring pin.
On the other hand lot 41136 Young's flown AS16 sunglasses case seemed pretty pricey to me at $10157, but each to their own.

Personally, I put in some speculative bids on items without expecting to be in the running and was very surprised to find myself winning John Young's Apollo 16 surface-flown Fisher Space Pen for $5676. I saw that Gene Cernan's Apollo 10 pen went for $23,900 in last Spring's HA sale so I really never thought I'd be in the running.

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There were still some relative bargains out there
I was looking at those and thought it to be a good deal... oh well... cant buy everything. I also looked at the 12 Moonwalkers Lot #41282 for $3107 was a good deal but couldn't understand why the 12 Moonwalker on the cards Lot #41283 went for $4481, more than the signed pictures.

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posted 04-02-2009 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Michael:
I also looked at the 12 Moonwalkers Lot #41282 for $3107 was a good deal but couldn't understand why the 12 Moonwalker on the cards Lot #41283 went for $4481, more than the signed pictures.
The signed photos contained several personalizations... and the key Armstrong photo was quite faded, whereas the signed business cards were all unpersonalized.

Also, the cards are a relatively uncommon collectible, in that you don't see a whole lot of them in the marketplace. I also suspect some find these cards desirable because they represent a type of collectible that was made specifically for the astronaut's personal business.

Perhaps the bargain moonwalkers item was the copy of Footprints signed by all 12 moonwalkers, selling for $7800 (including BP). Granted, some signatures were personalized and not all signatures were on the same page... but still quite a rarity to have all 12 signatures in this highly sought after book.

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According to the prices realized published on Heritage Auction Galleries' website, the top 10 highest performing lots in their 2009 April Signature Space Exploration Auction were as follows:
  1. Lot 41148: Space Shuttle Columbia (STS-1) Space Shuttle Columbia (STS-1) Commander John Young's Flown Flight Suit Patches (Four) Directly from his Personal Collection, Certified and Signed on the Display Frame. - $56,762.50
  2. Lot 41055: Apollo 8 Flown CMP Checklist Directly from the Personal Collection of Mission Command Module Pilot James Lovell, Certified and Signed. - $47,800
  3. Lot 41067: Apollo 13 Flown Lunar Module Spacecraft Identification Plate Display Directly from the Personal Collection of Mission Commander James Lovell, Certified and Signed. - $47,800
  4. Lot 41154: John Young's Personal 18K Gold Omega Speedmaster Professional Chronograph as Presented to Him in 1969 by the Omega Watch Company, Signed on Case and Box. - $38,837.50
  5. Lot 41135: Apollo 16 Lunar Module Flown Spacecraft Identification Plate Display Directly from the Personal Collection of Mission Commander John Young, Certified and Signed. - $33,460
  6. Lot 41280: Vintage Photograph Signed by One Hundred Aviation and Space Travel Pioneers including Six Moonwalkers. - $33,460
  7. Lot 41114: Apollo 10 Command Module Pilot John Young's Flown Space Suit Patches (Four) Directly from his Personal Collection, Certified and Signed on the Display Frame. - $31,070
  8. Lot 41068: Apollo 13 Flown CSM Systems Data Checklist Directly from the Personal Collection of Mission Commander James Lovell, Certified and Signed. - $28,680
  9. Lot 41028: Apollo 17 Flown Omega Stainless Steel Speedmaster Professional Watch and Flown Metal Attachment Directly from the Personal Collection of Mission Command Module Pilot Ron Evans, Certified and Signed. - $23,900
  10. Lot 41103: Gemini 10 Mission Commander John Young's Flown Space Suit Patches (Three) Directly from his Personal Collection, Certified and Signed on the Display Frame. - $23,900

This may be the first time that a space shuttle program artifact has outperformed all other memorabilia offered within the same sale.

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Originally posted by mjanovec:
Perhaps the bargain moonwalkers item was the copy of Footprints signed by all 12 moonwalkers, selling for $7800 (including BP).
Oh wow... I didn't even see that one. Yes that was a good one. Congratulations to the person who won that! Anybody we know?

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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
This may be the first time that a space shuttle program artifact has outperformed all other memorabilia offered within the same sale.

First time this month, maybe.

Last month's Lunar Legacies auction had a Challenger crew-signed cover where the bidding topped out at $4100. That bid was $600 higher than the second highest lot, the lunar module window. And while the Challenger cover didn't meet it's reserve, it still out-performed all of the other lots in the auction.

Regarding the Heritage Auction, one could also argue that there has never been a shuttle program artifact that has come up for auction that is of comparable quality to Young's flown spacesuit patches.

Interestingly, Young must be holding onto his Apollo 16 patches for now. If those had been in the auction, I can only imagine what the bids would have been...

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Some of the items were indeed real bargains! To a certain extent, I think the Young items and a few other pricey items that were in the early part of the auction 'sucked all the air out' of the subsequent bidding. The sale ran long and there were some frustrating problems with the Live Auction system in the second half (all in all it was excellent - unless you were planning on bidding on a item that was sold when it wasn't working). It seemed that the best bargains were in the second half of the sale, and most of the items that did not sell (i.e. failed to reach their reserve price) were late in the day.

Personally, I was very pleased to purchase the Apollo 13 Interval Timer Knob for about 15% less that the last time it changed hands!

On edit: It might also have been a bit better to hold the sale AFTER everyone in the US has either paid their taxes or knows they've got a refund coming. It was certainly a factor for me.

Anyone else think it's unwise to hold these auctions at tax time?

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Companies that pay bonuses generally do so in the first couple months of the year. Assuming some money goes to pay off Christmas bills, and some will go to the taxman in mid-April, perhaps early to mid-March is a time when people will have more disposable income than later in the year. If someone owes a lot in taxes, they would likely be filing for an extension past April 15, anyway.

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Anyone else think it's unwise to hold these auctions at tax time?
I got my refund a month ago, so that factor actually gave me a little more spending money for the auction season.

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And while the Challenger cover didn't meet it's reserve, it still out-performed all of the other lots in the auction.
If an item doesn't reach its reserve, I am not sure it is correct to say that it was the top performer, but I can see your point, too.

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I cannot think of another auction item from the last couple of years that appealed to me as much as Lot 41067, the "Apollo 13 Flown Lunar Module Spacecraft Identification Plate Display Directly from the Personal Collection of Mission Commander James Lovell, Certified and Signed."

Not much came back from ANY lunar module, and that specific one is (I believe) commonly seen as a close second to Eagle when it comes to the most famous, even beloved, spacecraft in history. The story of how it went beyond its design specifications to get the crew home is enjoyed by everyone from 4th-graders to hardcore engineers.

That plate is a breathtaking addition to someone's collection.

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You're 100% correct.

If only I had been an investment banker who kept my bonus in my sock drawer - those LM Plates would be on my wall already!

Definitely the highlight of the auction for me!


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