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mikeh
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posted 09-16-2008 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mikeh   Click Here to Email mikeh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mikeh:
I've asked for close-ups of 224, 233 and will post if I get them.
Well a week and two emails later, still no close-ups to verify the signatures. So, I guess I'm not bidding.

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posted 09-17-2008 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capoetc   Click Here to Email capoetc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mikeh:
Well a week and two emails later, still no close-ups to verify the signatures. So, I guess I'm not bidding.
Probably just swamped with info requests -- they are normally very responsive, I'm sure they'll get to you. Still over 3 weeks until the auction.

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Alan Lipkin
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posted 09-17-2008 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alan Lipkin   Click Here to Email Alan Lipkin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry you have not gotten a response concerning the two lots. I checked with our home office in St. Louis and no one seems to have received your email. Please send your email to me off line at: alipkin@regencysuperior.com and I will make certain that you get your enlargements today or tomorrow. I can't send them myself since the items are in our St. Louis office and I am in Beverly Hills.

I apologize for the delay.

Alan

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posted 09-18-2008 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mikeh   Click Here to Email mikeh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Alan Lipkin:
Please send your email to me off line
Thanks Alan. email sent.

- Mike

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posted 09-25-2008 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael   Click Here to Email Michael     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great question about lots 223 and 224... but I sure would like an opinion on Lot 158. Is that authentic?

Mike

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posted 10-01-2008 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kosmo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought cS members might be interested in this. I got a close up of the NASA vector patch on Walt Cunningham's 1968 NASA flight suit (lot 145) being offered in the latest 2008 Regency Superior Space auction. It is obviously a Type IV patch (see Chris Spain's web site).

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posted 10-02-2008 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Although this could be quite an old patch you should bear in mind that the patches on these suits were often replaced over time. The suits were regularly washed and embroidered patches tend to degrade very quickly when washed repeatedly.

As an example, someone sent me photos of one of Charlie Duke's blue flight suits that he had worn immediately after the recovery and the Apollo 16 patch on there today is actually a Lion Brothers version (when at the time of the recovery it was clearly an AB Emblem version). The meatball patch had likewise been replaced (by Duke) at some stage.

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posted 10-02-2008 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kosmo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The May 2-4 2008 Regency Superior auction (lot # 2199) offered a 1966 flown Gemini 12 NASA vector patch from Buzz Aldrin's collection. This patch appears to be a type IV NASA vector patch, suggesting that these patches were used much earlier than Apollo 7 and that Walt's blue jump suit vector patch maybe original.

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posted 10-02-2008 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Or it could mean that Aldrin's stepson misidentified the patch as being from 1966, or indeed mixed it up with an unflown patch.

The sale price of $475 indicates that most buyers believed the description to be a bit dubious.

Incidentally, I already mention on my site that there is at least one photo of Walt in training from 1968 where he has a Type IV patch on his blue flight suit so there is a possibility that this is a patch from that time.

My comments in my earlier post were just a warning that the patch you find on a jump suit, flight jacket, or even space suit today is not necessarily the original patch from the time the garment was first used.

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posted 10-02-2008 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael Davis   Click Here to Email Michael Davis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by spaced out:
Or it could mean that Aldrin's stepson misidentified the patch as being from 1966, or indeed mixed it up with an unflown patch.
This brings up a topic of concern for me. I've owned a couple of flown embroidered patches and U.S. flags in the past. I was always a little concerned in that these items weren't directly signed by the astronaut and noted as having been flown on their surface.

How do we value these unsigned and notated items versus beta cloth patches and flags that are directly signed by an astronaut as having been flown?

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posted 10-10-2008 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well it's only half way through but it's been interesting so far.

I picked up the flown Apollo 8 heatshield lucite at $660. That's my first heatshield plug. I'm more of a flown flag guy normally but Apollo 8 is really one of my favourites and the price seemed low to me.

I noticed some exceptionally low prices on Apollo 11 crew signed items, perhaps because people dislike oversize pieces?

  • 219 : Apollo 11 crew (Aldrin AP) & Nixon : $1437.50
  • 230 : Apollo 11 crew on 16x20 matted photo : $1500
  • 231 : Apollo 11 crew on 16x20 matted photo : $2040
And what looked to me to be a superb bargain:
  • 237 : Apollo 11 crew signed book : $2640 (well done Brammers!)
What's amazing is that all four of those Apollo 11 crew-signed items together cost only a couple of hundred dollars more than that Armstrong trimmed WSS ISP at Heritage. How can that be?

mjanovec
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posted 10-10-2008 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by spaced out:
What's amazing is that all four of those Apollo 11 crew-signed items together cost only a couple of hundred dollars more than that Armstrong trimmed WSS ISP at Heritage. How can that be?

I suspect those oversized A11 matted photos sold for low because the signatures were on the matting, not the photos themselves. Still, I would think they were a bit underpriced...while the WSS from Heritage was obviously way overpriced. The bidder for that item must not have been knowledgable about the prices that inscribed Armstrongs fetch.

The $22k flown A11 beta appears to be one of the jewels of the this auction.

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posted 10-10-2008 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceSteve   Click Here to Email SpaceSteve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So far, I've picked up lot 274 (8x10 of Pete Conrad on the moon, signed by Conrad, Gordon and Bean)

That leaves me needing only Armstrong, Shepard and Schmitt for a complete set of moonwalker "action" photos.

I also wanted lot #41 (the ASF 8x10 photo-montage of the Mercury orbiters, signed by Glenn, Carpenter, Schirra and Cooper). It went one bid too high for me and I chickened out. I should've just put my bid in on R-S' website and let it ride.

Steve

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posted 10-10-2008 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The prices realized for today's Regency-Superior auction can be viewed on eBay (registration may be required), until such time they are available on R-S's website.

The five highest bids were received for Apollo 11 flown artifacts and scale models:

  • 192: Flown To Moon Beta Cloth Patch Signed by Crew of Apollo 11. Astronauts Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin & Michael Collins all signed this 6x6" Beta Cloth Crew Patch which is notated at top: 'Carried to the Moon aboard Apollo XI/July 1969'. - $22,000

  • 191: 1969 Flown LM Lunar Surface Checklist Apollo 11. A single two-sided sheet about 5x8", being SUR-56 & SUR-57 from the checklist. - $20,000

  • 857: 1958 Vanguard I Satellite Model. Major model 31x31" made from ORIGINAL PARTS left over from the satellite that was launched. - $18,000

  • 882: c.1957-60s Vostok Model. This impressive 12x4"x16" stainless steel 1:25 scale model with green trim. - $18,000

  • 858: 1960s F-1 Saturn V Engine Model. Massive original Rocketdyne model of the F-1 Engine. - $15,000
Other notable lots and their results:
  • 057: Schirra's Watch During Mercury Training. LeCoultre wristwatch with 24 hour dial & lizard & metal wrist band worn by Schirra during his early Mercury 7 training. - $1,500

  • 069: Back-Up Parachute Material - 1st Manned Flight. This large section (36x36") of orange nylon material is from the first manned flight of Alan Shepard. - $4,750

  • 145: 1968 Walt Cunningham's NASA Flight Suit. Blue flight suit worn by Walt Cunningham during Apollo VII training with all proper zippers, Velcro backed leather name tag, NASA extended vector patch, and Apollo VII mission patch (size 38 short). - $1,600

  • 534: 2006 STS-121 Crew Member Signed Photo. Color official picture (8x10") with six crew members (without Reiter). - $1,200

Note: Bids could represent consignors buying back their lots. Prices do not include buyer's premium.

MrSpace86
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posted 10-11-2008 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrSpace86   Click Here to Email MrSpace86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All of a sudden, STS-121 is right behind STS-51L and STS-107 as the most expensive. Is there a reason why this shot so high? Personally, I think it's outrageous!

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posted 10-11-2008 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceflori   Click Here to Email spaceflori     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Considering the fact that RS couldn't have chosen are worse day in the year (not their fault, of course) due to the financial roller coaster rides this week the results are pretty strong from what I observed.

As always there's some cheaper and more expensive stuff but it proves again that you cannot say "Apollo 11 crew signatures" are worth $1500, $5000 or $15000. It's what two people are willing to bid nothing more or less.

The latest shuttle crews are very hard to get and for someone trying to maintain a complete set of all shuttle crews these items are certainly worth the money. For sure there are a few times more crew-signed items of 51L or 107 out there than of the recent shuttle flights.

I guess once the shuttle program is terminated some prices will also increase there due to the fact that a complete collection can be assembled then making some rather unknown missions to be very very expensive (STS-42, 44, 50 comes to my mind).

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gliderpilotuk
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posted 10-11-2008 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope the buyers of the following knew what they were doing:

Lot 225 - $6500 before BP.
Lot 222 - $2000 before BP.
Lot 218 - $3750 before BP.

....obviously not.

Did I see an Anders BS go for $1200?

I was very pleased with my book Lot 237 with its nice inscription. The auction was just too long though. I gave up after 6hrs at midnight BST with the show only half way through.

Paul

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posted 10-11-2008 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To answer my own question, Anders lot 153 went for $1200 and the identical lot 152 went for $475. Bizarre.

Meanwhile Lot 762 Gagarin hand written letter was a steal at $500.

Paul

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posted 10-11-2008 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceSteve   Click Here to Email SpaceSteve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was shocked at the low prices the two Ron Lewis Moonwalkers prints went for ($1,800 and $1,700), along with the Naval Aviation in Space litho going for only $1,500. The Navy to the Moon litho also, went for $2,800.

All I know is if I had the money, I would have been in the bidding on each one.

Steve

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posted 10-11-2008 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was surprised to see the 12 moonwalkers item (Lot 399) sell for $10,500. With the awful-looking Young, the piece will always be tainted...even if you add a genuine Young signature.

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posted 10-11-2008 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by gliderpilotuk:
To answer my own question, Anders lot 153 went for $1200 and the identical lot 152 went for $475. Bizarre.
All it takes is two bidders willing to put high bids of $1200 or so. Both place bids before the auction and both have to decide which of the two identical items to bid on.

If they happened to choose different lots they would probably sell much lower against live bidders. If they happen to choose the same one it's going to go for $1200 regardless of how little the other lot goes for in live bidding.

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posted 10-13-2008 05:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 2003hdannv   Click Here to Email 2003hdannv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is anyone's opinion on the Anders Lot 154? I just found out I won it. Thanks

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posted 10-15-2008 02:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for contra   Click Here to Email contra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How long does it normally take RS to send out the mails to the winning bidder? Thanks,

Stefan

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posted 10-17-2008 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for daveblog   Click Here to Email daveblog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just wondering if anyone has opinions on how I did with these two lots:
  • 457: 1975 Flown Wire & Unflown Robbins Medallion ASTP
  • 822: 1993 'Seagull' Litho by Alexi Leonov
I think I did well.

Dave

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posted 10-17-2008 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for contra   Click Here to Email contra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone received their invoice yet? Im still waiting and starting to get nervous.

Stefan

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posted 10-17-2008 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by daveblog:
I think I did well.

As long as you think you did well, that's all that matters.

But, for the record, I think you did well too.

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posted 10-20-2008 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stsmithva   Click Here to Email stsmithva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Without going into the boring details, I'll say that there was some confusion over my bidding at R-S. I sent their president, David Kols, an e-mail about it last night. He must have talked to his staff the second he read it this morning, and called me quite early their time today. He was apologetic, and the issue was resolved to my satisfaction.

Just thought I would mention some above-average customer service, since some auction houses are sorely lacking in that area.

Steve

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posted 10-25-2008 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarkRP   Click Here to Email MarkRP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I received my items today. I'm very pleased with what I was high bidder for.

Mark

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posted 10-28-2008 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 2003hdannv   Click Here to Email 2003hdannv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I need help in this area. How hard and what criteria is needed to return an auction item back to Regency Superior's last auction? This was the Anders Lot 154.

Thanks, Bobby

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posted 10-28-2008 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Got my winnings yesterday. Great service by Superior. Can't say the same of Royal Snail-Mail who decided to leave a $2000 book on the doormat rather than returing it to the depot. Muppets.

Paul

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posted 11-01-2008 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for contra   Click Here to Email contra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Received my items today and Im very pleased with them but unfortunately I have to say that the customer service was bad. Well... there was none for me.

Send three mails but no response in three weeks.

Maybe just bad luck.

Stefan

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posted 11-01-2008 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peter Kemp   Click Here to Email Peter Kemp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I picked up my single win this morning with a 53 VAT and Royal Mail Fee to pay but I was expecting that.

Like Stefan, I too was a little disappointed in the standard of customer service from Regency-Superior.

A payment was charged to my credit card account before I received the promised Final Invoice. Having queried this charge with my credit card issuer, my email to Regency requesting the Final Invoice be emailed to me is still unanswered.

However, the item was well packaged and arrived safely in the UK. An Invoice was included but it causes confusion when an organisation says its going follow a certain procedure and then does something quite different.

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posted 11-01-2008 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceSteve   Click Here to Email SpaceSteve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I must echo the above comments from Peter Kemp. My credit card was also charged without me ever receiving the promised final invoice. To make matters worse, it sent the balance on the credit card (it's been so long since I've won a R-S auction, that I'd forgotten they even had it) over my credit limit. I called R-S, and they've reversed the charge and taken the amount out of my debit card, so they've been good on that.

Another problem is that the item I won (an Apollo 12 crew signed photo), was slightly damaged. The old-style plastic page the photo was in stuck to the gold paint pen ink, causing some of the ink to come off and remain with the plastic page. It isn't really bad enough to make me want to return the item, but it will cause me to think twice about bidding with R-S in the future.

Steve

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posted 11-20-2008 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Retro Rocket   Click Here to Email Retro Rocket     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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1958 Vanguard I Satellite Model. Major model 31x31" made from ORIGINAL PARTS left over from the satellite that was launched. - $18,000
I was wondering if there was any documentation on the Vanguard 1 model. Back in the early nineties I found a model in an antique store in Ventura, CA that looks identical to this model. I bought it for two hundred dollars and sold it to Roger Bell, who at the time was a huge collector of Space models. We had an agreement that if he ever sold his collection, I would have the first right of refusal to buy the model back.

We lost touch and a couple years later he sold his collection, including the Vanguard 1 thru Superior Galleries. I think it sold for about $4,000. I contacted Roger and he apologized for selling it without contacting me first, but he did nothing to resolve this problem.

My concern is that this is the same model that I found. I can describe it and the wooden box it came in and what the inscription on the base reads.

At the time Vanguard was launched, NASA provided plans to trade schools to build your own Vanguard 1. The model is very easy to replicate, it's basically made out of five different parts repeated 2-6 times. It was a good metal shop project to demonstrate metal spinning (hemisphere's) solar cell holders (metal stamping) and layout and drilling the hole patterns for the antennae, solar cell holders, and the rest of the holes used to put the hemis together.

A teacher of mine has the model that he saved when he taught shop during that time, I sure I could get photos of it and find out more about the project. His base was also acrylic, but he had mounted a motor on the bottom so it would slowly rotate.

If this turns out to be the same model I need to have a talk with Roger. I've produced several full scale Sputnik 1 replicas, one is at the Neil Armstrong Museum. In my 2008 catalog I advertised replica Topping models, but I make sure any of the replicas I do are never sold as originals.


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