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Robert Pearlman
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Please use this topic to discuss Virgin Galactic's first fully-crewed flight of its SpaceShipTwo suborbital rocket plane, Unity 22, with company founder Richard Branson aboard.

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Stephen Colbert will be hosting Virgin Galactic's livestream of the Unity 22 launch.

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Has the flight been deliberately scheduled so that Branson is safely back in time to watch the Euro soccer final between England and Italy this Sunday?

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Khalid has announced that he will be performing a brand-new song for the Virgin Galactic launch, reports Rolling Stone.
Although the song, titled "New Normal," won't be officially released until July 21st, the singer will debut the track on stage following the Unity 22 crew's landing of the 22nd flight test for VSS Unity.

When it comes to the track's inspiration, Khalid tells Rolling Stone: "Around this time last year, I was super fascinated and gravitated toward space. I was watching this comet by the name of Neowise last year, and space travel is something that I've always been interested in as well. And I've been going through the motions of understanding this new, postmodern future that's coming together, especially when it comes down to technology — it's something that really excites me."

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Guess I’ll have to mute the coverage until release time. Nobody needs some so-called comedian yammering all over such a historic event.

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Former Canadian Space Agency astronaut Chris Hadfield and popular science communicator Kellie Gerardi will be joining the aforementioned Stephen Colbert and Khalid on Virgin Galactic's launch livestream.

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Well that’s good to hear, and will add some credibility to the VG broadcast.

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A public service announcement from Branston Pickle in the UK (via Twitter):
We are Branston. Not Branson.

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From astronaut Chris Hadfield (via Twitter):
Final approach at Spaceport America (I went flying). It's what they'll see tomorrow as they maneuver Unity 22 to land.

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Virgin Galactic video
From Richard Branson's dream to reality, this is the story of Virgin Galactic.

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Update from Virgin Galactic:
Due to weather overnight at Spaceport America, launch preparations are delayed by 90 minutes. Launch time and livestream time is now targeted for 8:30AM MT/10:30AM ET/3:30PM BST.

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Current schedule of events (targeted times in MDT):
  • 7:40 a.m. - Unity Crew 22 walkout of hangar
  • 7:55 a.m. - Mission specialists board Land Rovers and drive to runway
  • 7:57 a.m. - Mission specialists board VSS Unity
  • 8:05 a.m. - Pilots board VMS Eve and engines start
  • 8:30 a.m. - VMS Eve takes off with VSS Unity
  • 9:20 a.m. - Release of Unity (and following: coast and re-entry)
  • 9:35 a.m. - VSS Unity lands
  • 10:07 a.m. - VSS Unity arrives on ramp and crew disembarks
  • 10:18 a.m. - Presentation of Civilian Astronaut Wings to flight crew

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This is a pretty amazing day! Assuming, hoping, praying that the flight will be a success, what are the next steps? Will those who have already purchased their tickets be flying in the VERY near future? If not when?

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At least as of their last update, Virgin Galactic plans two more test flights this year before commencing with commercial services in 2022.

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As viewed in the reflection of the windows on the Gateway to Space at Spaceport America, the Unity 22 crew boards Landrovers to depart for their waiting ride to space on the runway (collectSPACE photo).

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WhiteKnightTwo VMS Eve takes off with VSS Unity and the Unity 22 crew from Spaceport America in New Mexico at 8:40 a.m. MDT (collectSPACE photos).

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Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo VSS Unity soars to space and returns to Earth with the Unity22 crew on Sunday, July 11, 2021. (collectSPACE photos)

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An amazing technological achievement but I'm surprised at the shortness of the actual space "experience." I could think of far better ways to spend $250,000!

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Crew wore parachutes and I wonder how they were supposed to use these? Would the vehicle break up to allow easy egress?

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You really have to hand it to Richard Branson. You can call him a billionaire, a tycoon, an entrepreneur, a self-publicist - but he didn't have to do that. Now, when his paying customers line up to fly to the edge of space, Branson can look them in the eye and tell them he won't ask them to do something he wasn't prepared to do himself.

They're made of steel, sir!

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...in time to watch the Euro soccer final
It occurs to me that Branson's safe and successful return will probably merit a report well back from the front pages (because of the football).

Failure has many authors. Success appears on Page 7.

CORRECTION: It was Page 9 in my paper.

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Congratulations, but I have a feeling that the orbital industry has almost caught up with the much delayed suborbital efforts.
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They're made of steel, sir!
Hardly, it's a fully tested vehicle, which is the point. But yes, a very good (essential?) marketing move.

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Virgin Galactic CEO Michael Colglazier said at a post-flight press conference that the four mission specialists were chosen so the company would have four people who could testify to the Virgin Galactic experience. There was no attempt to hide the crew were, and will become, a marketing tool.

That said, the space shuttle and Soyuz were fully-tested vehicles, too, and people died riding on them. Someone has already died flying SpaceShipTwo and more are likely to follow. The same goes for every other type of human spacecraft. Tested or not, I'd say it takes a certain gumption to get on board.

As I ride the bus back from Spaceport America, one thing that strikes me is how exciting it was to watch — from the ground — as VSS Unity dropped from VMS Eve, lit its engine and climbed to space. It was clearly visible the full length of the burn.

Even if you do not get a chance to fly aboard, knowing someone who does and getting to see them rocket away is going to be a powerful experience.

As to the length of the space experience, Alan Shepard and Gus Grissom had equally short space experiences — the X-15 pilots had even less — and I would bet all of them would say no matter how brief, the experience is worth the ticket price.

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Crew wore parachutes and I wonder how they were supposed to use these?
I believe during the climb to altitude while still attached to VMS Eve and during descent as a glider, were something to go wrong, the crew could open the side hatch and jump to safety.

As for the vehicle breaking apart, a parachute saved pilot Peter Siebold's life in the crash of VSS Enterprise. Co-pilot Mike Alsbury was not as fortunate.

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Congratulations to Virgin Galactic!

I hope it does open some more doors down the line in space travel.

With regards to the safety of the vehicle, I might point out that anything built by Man can fail, not just the Shuttle or Soyuz or VSS Enterprise. Getting in your car there is some statistical chance of a mechanical failure that can kill you (and I'm not talking about the other drivers on the road).

With regards to the whole astronaut thing, I think it is rather pretentious to call a short suborbital hop, in which you are a passenger, making you an astronaut. I'm perfectly willing to call them space travelers, but not astronauts. I believe the Association of Space Explorers says you have to have orbited the Earth at least once above 100 km. to become a member.

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You are correct about membership, but the Association of Space Explorers has introduced a Universal Astronaut Pin to represent everyone who has flown to space and Virgin Galactic's passengers will be eligible to wear it.

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I heard somewhere that the Association of Space Explorers may want to change their "astronaut status" qualifications to perhaps include space flyers of suborbital flights. But I have heard nothing since.

By my own definition, "astronaut" should refer to a full-time highly-trained occupation, and in most cases, by a space agency such as NASA, CSA, ESA, the military, or even an aerospace company or program contractor that need to fly spaceflight participates on a long-term condition.

Today's highly successful suborbital space ride, which is an amazing feat within itself, had non-pilot crew members as "part-time or "once-only" astronaut participates" for a short period of time. But such a term would not apply to commercial space pilots working a full-time career as a project pilot with a private space firm like Virgin Galactic.

If I recall, Virgin Galactic refers to their own Unity 22 crew members as either a pilot or mission specialist, but with no astronaut title (but I do see that Branson is referred to as "Astronaut 001)? In either case, by all means though, I do not mean to downgrade any astronaut-rating category as space travel is always a dangerous and risky business when flying faster and higher. After all, your life depends on a rocket engine(s) working at full capacity with many new and sophisticated flight systems all working together under extreme conditions.

Perhaps a new astronaut term designation or title, such as commercial, passenger, private, participate, or even a "paid-for" astronaut label could apply for future non-pilot crew members. Or in the case of today's space conquest, how about making it as simple as possible; Virgin Galactic astronaut, passenger, or flight crew participate?

It had to be an awesome day at Spaceport America in New Mexico as the dawn of a new and exciting era in space tourism travel is underway.

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The flight crew wears helmets and oxygen masks. Why aren't passengers wearing them as well? Is this a good idea?

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Virgin Galactic president Mike Moses addressed that in an interview with CNN:
And if the cabin loses pressure, both of the pilots will be wearing oxygen masks to ensure they don't lose consciousness. And the space plane is carrying a load of extra oxygen that can be used to pump the cabin full of air even if a leak is sprung, Moses said.

"We have enough onboard air to feed a leak, four times over," he said. "Then, our air-launch system lets us actually check for those leaks before we release it in the first place. So if we take off, and we see that we've developed a leak, we just don't release [SpaceShipTwo] from the mothership. We come back home."

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I find it strange that Branson failed to make any reference to Burt Rutan and the work done by Scaled Composites that enabled this to be possible during his press events during or after the flight.

The flight was a culmination of a lot of effort and sacrifice made by many, some of which was gently acknowledged, and while it is understandable that this event was a major press event for the company which gives bragging rights to Virgin Galactic over Blue Origin, none of it would have been possible without the people who came up with the idea.

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"To all you kids down there..." - Richard Branson's message from zero gravity.

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Virgin Galactic Unity 22 flight highlights:

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I can't go into details but a guy I went to college with a gazillion years ago works for Sir Richard in a peripheral way.

I got a text from him, saying, "Heads are gonna roll that the comms weren't working at the time they got into space. Branson AIN'T gonna like that," as the craft was descending. He sent another later, "Yeah, there are some very scared people on the ground there, glad I'm not one of the ones who has to worry."

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For what's it worth, both Branson and Virgin Galactic president Mike Moses spoke about the dropped comms just a couple of hours after the flight and neither seemed particularly concerned about it.

This was the first time the company had tried to livestream from the vehicle and, per Moses, they have some antenna interference issues to work out.

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Has NASA indeed accepted the 50 mile mark as the beginning of space as reported almost everywhere? Do we have an exact height that this flight reached?

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Unity 22 peaked at 53.5 miles (86.1 km).

It was the U.S. Air Force, rather than NASA, that came up with the 50 mile (80 km) demarcation in the late 1950s, such that by the time Alan Shepard and Gus Grissom flew, they became the first to receive military astronaut wings.

Both 50 miles (80 km) and 100 kilometers (62 miles), the latter the Kármán line, were somewhat arbitrary numbers. In the decades since they were chosen, science has pointed to the earlier being the more accurate boundary.

Jonathan McDowell, an astrophysicist at Harvard, had been exploring the same question. In October of 2018, he published an article in Acta Astronautica, a peer-reviewed academic monthly, titled "The Edge of Space: Revisiting the Karman Line." He drew on history, explaining how, in the late fifties, the U.S. Air Force began awarding astronaut wings to pilots who flew above fifty statute miles, and how fifty miles was not only a "nice round figure" but also "the right choice from a physical point of view" because the mesosphere starts about fifty miles above sea level.

McDowell made a scientific argument, too. As von Kármán had done, he contended that our notion of space should begin wherever orbital dynamics exceed aerodynamic forces — wherever an airplane can no longer operate like an airplane — and demonstrated that, based on ballistic coefficients and modern atmospheric models, fifty miles is a "suitable choice to use as the canonical lower 'edge of space' in circumstances where such a dividing line between atmosphere and space is desired."

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First, congratulations to Sir Richard Branson and Virgin Galactic for this magnificent achievement.

Reading this thread has been most enlightening, as the questions posed have teased out many answers, instead of a lot of "don't knows."

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Virgin Galactic video
Vice President of Government Affairs and Research Operations at Virgin Galactic, Sirisha Bandla, evaluated the human-tended research experience in space, using an experiment from the University of Florida that requires several handheld fixation tubes that were activated at various points in the flight profile.

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Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) statement
During its July 11, 2021 flight, the Virgin Galactic SpaceShipTwo vehicle deviated from its Air Traffic Control clearance as it returned to Spaceport America. The FAA investigation is ongoing.
The New Yorker reports:
On July 11th, nearly a minute into the rocket trip carrying Richard Branson, the British billionaire, to space, a yellow caution light appeared on the ship’s console. The craft was about twenty miles in the air above the White Sands Missile Range, in New Mexico, and climbing, travelling more than twice the speed of sound. But it was veering off course, and the light was a warning to the pilots that their flight path was too shallow and the nose of the ship was insufficiently vertical. If they didn’t fix it, they risked a perilous emergency landing in the desert on their descent...

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Virgin Galactic statement
We dispute the misleading characterizations and conclusions in the New Yorker article published today.

The safety of our crew and passengers is Virgin Galactic's top priority. Our entire approach to spaceflight is guided by a fundamental commitment to safety at every level, including our spaceflight system, our test flight program and our rigorous pilot training protocol.

Unity 22 was a safe and successful test flight that adhered to our flight procedures and training protocols. When the vehicle encountered high altitude winds which changed the trajectory, the pilots and systems monitored the trajectory to ensure it remained within mission parameters. Our pilots responded appropriately to these changing flight conditions exactly as they have been trained and in strict accordance with our established procedures. Although the flight's ultimate trajectory deviated from our initial plan, it was a controlled and intentional flight path that allowed Unity 22 to successfully reach space and land safely at our Spaceport in New Mexico. At no time were passengers and crew put in any danger as a result of this change in trajectory.

The Unity 22 flight further reaffirmed our technical readiness, our rigorous pilot training program and the inherent safety of our spaceflight system, particularly in light of the changing flight conditions. As we move towards commercial service, we are confident we have the right safety culture, policies and processes in place to build and operate a sfe and successful business over the long term.

Statement on the FAA

Although the flight's ultimate trajectory deviated from our initial plan, the Unity 22 flight did not fly outside the lateral confines of the protected airspace. As a result of the trajectory adjustment, the flight did drop below the altitude of the airspace that is protected for Virgin Galactic missions for a short distance and time (1 minute and 41 seconds) before re-entering restricted airspace that is protected all the way to the ground for Virgin Galactic missions. At no time did the ship travel above any population centers or cause hazard to the public. FAA representatives were present in our control room during the flight and in post-flight debriefs. We are working in partnership with the FAA to address the airspace for future flights.

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That New Yorker article posted above is a must read.

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Thank you for the recommendation.

Wow! Some very serious concerns, beyond the flight issue itself.


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