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Robert Pearlman
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posted 09-13-2018 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SpaceX release
First Lunar BFR Mission

SpaceX has signed the world's first private passenger to fly around the Moon aboard our BFR launch vehicle — an important step toward enabling access for everyday people who dream of traveling to space.

Only 24 humans have been to the Moon in history. No one has visited since the last Apollo mission in 1972. Find out who's flying and why on Monday, September 17 at 6pm PT.

SpaceX will webcast the announcement live:

Robert Pearlman
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posted 09-13-2018 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Asked on Twitter if he was the one flying, Elon Musk responded with the emoji for the Japanese flag.

Read into that what you will.

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posted 09-14-2018 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Headshot   Click Here to Email Headshot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wasn't SpaceX supposed to fly two paying customer's around the moon this year? What ever happened to them? Are they going to fly on the big comfy BFR around the moon instead?

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SpaceX canceled its plans for sending Dragon beyond low Earth orbit when it decided to forego human-rating the Falcon Heavy in favor of fast-tracking the development of the BFR.

SpaceX never confirmed the identity of its lunar Dragon customers, but given that the company is not referencing that previous news in this announcement, it would seem this is a different passenger.

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posted 09-17-2018 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Additional renders via Elon Musk on Twitter:

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From Elon Musk on Twitter:
By the way, can't emphasize enough how SpaceX would not be where it is today without NASA. Thank you.

Top SpaceX priority is and will remain supporting NASA crewed spaceflight and National Security missions.

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quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
...it would seem this is a different passenger.
I was incorrect. Elon Musk confirmed on Monday (Sept. 17) that Yusaku Maezawa had previously been the customer for the Falcon Heavy flight to the moon and has now underwritten the BFR lunar flight.

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Isn't that 2023 date also the same as NASA's first Orion mission scheduled with astronauts?

With NASA and SpaceX both planning to circumnavigate the Moon we seem to have a bona fide space race. I do like how Mr. Maezawa paraphrased President Kennedy's famous words but chartering the entire Big Falcon Ship was unexpected. The fact he is also taking along other non-astronauts from the arts — and paying for them all — is an amazing gesture.

I'm just curious whether SpaceX will use its own employees as flight crew or current/former astronauts from any space agencies?

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Wow, I did not expect the "art part."

My bet was on a private company/individual booking the whole flight and reselling tickets or otherwise earning back the money as in the Lunar Cruiser idea.

I'm surprised and astounded by the gesture.

Fun fact: it reminds me of the BFS from "The Expanse," aka the Mormon Ship.

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posted 09-18-2018 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oly   Click Here to Email oly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is an interesting concept. So this is one of the passengers originally planned for the Falcon Heavy/Crew Dragon mission around the moon SpaceX announced some time ago. This is either an extremely philanthropic endeavour or a crazy act, either way it should be interesting.

I found the post announcement press conference strange, I lost count how many questions were asked trying to get an answer to the question about money, surely there were better question to ask. I think your question Robert was one of the better, along with Tim Dodd (the Everyday Astronaut) asking about the new BFR engine configuration.

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quote:
Originally posted by issman1:
...will use its own employees as flight crew
It may be that the BFS doesn't require a flight crew and is controlled from Earth and autonomously by the on board computers.

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I think it is a creative way to use his multi billion dollar fortune that's for sure. When you have that much money, I find the motivations of what people do with it fascinating. I can only imagine it allows you to think on another level of possibilities.

He is paying for (up to this point in history) a once in a lifetime experience that if successful will create emotional experiences for a few fellow travelers and henceforth through their creations affect many people on earth. To me this has a similar feeling of the teacher in space mission, as non-military/government individuals will be asked to participate based on what they can do for the larger peoples of the world.

I am hoping that the artists selected speak openly about their personal choices to make the journey. Since possible death at the hands of a large corporate entity is involved, it will be interesting to see what artists are willing to make that trade for their art and the impact their message could have across the globe. And how it will affect the rest of their lives.

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Does he have to get the approval from the FAA to do this?

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If by he you mean Elon Musk, and by Elon Musk you mean SpaceX, then yes. As a U.S. commercial rocket, the BFR will need an FAA launch license to fly.

Commercial spacecraft passengers do not need FAA approval.

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SpaceX has now updated the Mars section of its website with information about the #dearMoon mission and the changes to the BFR design.

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Elon Musk on Twitter:
Moon mission will be livestreamed in high def VR, so it'll feel like you're there in real-time minus a few seconds for speed of light

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quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
It may be that the BFS doesn't require a flight crew...
From Yusaku Maezawa on Twitter:
After a press conference, we talked a lot at Elon's home. He said that it would be reliable if 1-2 astronauts will be on board.
It isn't clear though if the astronauts would be flight crew or perhaps tour guides. Either way, Scott Kelly has already thrown his hat in for consideration.
Yusaku Maezawa, this will be a great adventure! Good luck on your trip and if you need someone with a little experience to go with you, my schedule is wide open in 2023.

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Yusaku Maezawa (MZ) recently asked Damien Chazelle to join him as the director aboard the #dearmoon mission:
MZ: You should be the first director to go to the moon.

Chazelle: Oh... that's very kind of you. I'll think about it. Discuss with my wife. I don't make the decisions in my family, but thank you very much.

Aside from whether I'm going or not, I think your project is very special and profound. So much work was spent sending people to the moon in 1969, or from 1968 to 1972, and that since then, almost 50 years since, no human has been back to the moon. It's wonderful to think that in a few years' time we might be able to circle back and have that not just be an unrepeated experience and get to send a new generation there.

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Given the time frame taken to "man rate" the Crew Dragon capsule, it is going to be some time until this BFR mission is ready for a commercial manned flight of a completely new design spacecraft.

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Setting the time frame of the #dearMoon launch aside, as a spacecraft that is not under NASA's purview, SpaceX's Starship (and Super Heavy launch vehicle) is more akin to Blue Origin's New Shepard and Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo than it is Crew Dragon.

The FAA's regulations for commercial crewed launch vehicles focus more on protecting the uninvolved public from harm (i.e. range safety) and making sure the passengers are well informed rather than imposing NASA-style human-rating requirements.

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Blue Origin's New Shepard and Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo have both undergone substantial test flight programs designed to establish vehicle performance, and identify design problems. Both of these vehicles are aiming for sub-orbital space tourism, and their test flight programs occur in the flight regime that they intend to operate within.

SpaceX have a grander plan, with a lunar flyby mission, requiring life support systems for longer durations and a Earth atmospheric reentry of a stainless steel lifting body at far greater velocity.

While the mission may be considered a commercial endeavour, paid for by a wealthy businessman, many of the planned passengers are planned to be well known artists, invited as guests. While the failure of any space mission is a tragedy, the loss of this specific mission could potentially destroy any future philanthropic space endeavour.

As such, SpaceX has a lot to lose if such a mission encounters problems. Volunteers who do not have a background as test pilot, do not have the right stuff, and do not originate from the astronaut core gene pool, would presumably want some kind of reassurance or evidence, that all tests and product development had been achieved before they step into a shiny new rocket.

Insurance companies and lawyers that represent wealthy or famous passengers may want some kind of reassurance that systems test have been conducted within industry best practices, and today's risk averse society would be quick to judge against any failure.

This is not akin to an Apollo 8 type mission, where the loss of crew on the first manned mission of a new rocket type may be considered an acceptable risk as part of the race to the moon, This is a commercial venture and adventure.

With so many new design concepts incorporated into a prototype rocket and booster, there is a fair chance that this lunar flyby mission will take longer to launch than originally stated.

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