Posts: 54681 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 01-07-2025 09:37 AM
Please use this topic to discuss ispace's HAKUTO-R Mission 2 to the moon to deliver the company's RESILIENCE Lander and Micro Rover to the surface of the moon
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54681 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 01-07-2025 09:39 AM
SpaceX is targeting 1:11 a.m. EST (0711 GMT) on Wednesday, Jan. 15 for the launch of ispace's HAKUTO-R Mission 2, the company's second attempt at a soft landing on the moon.
The RESILIENCE lander will launch on a Falcon 9 rocket from Launch Complex 39A at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54681 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 01-15-2025 12:00 AM
ispace video
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54681 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 03-03-2025 07:09 PM
ispace expects its Resilience lander to enter lunar orbit on May 6 and is targeting a touchdown on June 5 at 3:24 p.m. EDT (1924 GMT).
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54681 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 05-16-2025 04:31 PM
ispace update
Hello from lunar orbit!
RESILIENCE status: nominal
Distance above the Lunar surface: between ca. 100 km to 2,300 km
Current orbital phase: Lunar orbiting phase, osculating between ca. 3,200 km/h to 6,800 km/h
This photo was taken with the spot camera mounted on top of the lander, making the cover that protects the TENACIOUS micro rover visible in the bottom right of the image.
Landing is slated for June 5, 2025 at 19:24 UTC // 15:24 EDT, so stay tuned for updates!
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54681 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 05-16-2025 04:33 PM
NASA release
NASA's LRO Views Japan's RESILENCE Lunar Lander Landing Area
NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera (LROC) imaged the landing area of the ispace SMBC x HAKUTO-R Venture Moon Mission 2 RESILIENCE lunar lander which is slated to land on the surface of the Moon no earlier than June 5, 2025 (UTC).
This view of the primary landing area is 3.13 miles (5,040 meters) wide and north is up. The site is in Mare Frigoris, a volcanic region interspersed with large-scale faults known as wrinkle ridges. Mare Frigoris formed over 3.5 billion years ago as massive basalt eruptions flooded low-lying terrain.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54681 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 06-03-2025 09:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by Robert Pearlman: ...targeting a touchdown on June 5 at 3:24 p.m. EDT (1924 GMT).
ispace is now targeting 3:17 p.m. EDT (1917 GMT) on Thursday (June 5).
A livestream will begin at 2:10 p.m. EDT (1810 GMT).
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54681 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 06-05-2025 12:56 PM
ispace live video
ispace SMBC x Hakuto-R Venture Moon: Live Landing Coverage
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54681 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 06-05-2025 02:53 PM
ispace was not immediately able to confirm the status of Resilience after the expected landing time. When an update is available, it will be shared here.
Blackarrow Member
Posts: 3848 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
posted 06-05-2025 02:53 PM
I'm afraid it looks like the Moon has a new crater. You could see it on the faces in the control centre.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54681 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 06-05-2025 04:17 PM
ispace statement
At this moment, we have not yet been able to establish communication with RESILIENCE, but ispace engineers in our Mission Control Center are continuing to work to contact the lander.
We will share an update with the latest information in a media announcement in the next few hours. Thank you for your patience.
David C Member
Posts: 1471 From: Lausanne Registered: Apr 2012
posted 06-06-2025 05:23 AM
The last public telemetry on the broadcast showed 187kmh (116 mph) at 52 m altitude (171 feet). If that was correct, I’d suggest the mission is over.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54681 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 06-06-2025 08:08 AM
From ispace:
Based on the currently available data, the Mission Control Center has been able to confirm the following: The laser rangefinder used to measure the distance to the lunar surface experienced delays in obtaining valid measurement values. As a result, the lander was unable to decelerate sufficiently to reach the required speed for the planned lunar landing. Based on these circumstances, it is currently assumed that the lander likely performed a hard landing on the lunar surface.
Axman Member
Posts: 770 From: Derbyshire UK Registered: Mar 2023
posted 06-06-2025 08:12 AM
Yet another laser rangefinder unfit for purpose.
Robert Pearlman Editor
Posts: 54681 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
posted 06-06-2025 08:55 AM
Or just perhaps the conditions on the moon are not like they are on Earth and the assumption that they are underscore the complexity of a lunar landing.
Axman Member
Posts: 770 From: Derbyshire UK Registered: Mar 2023
posted 06-06-2025 09:39 AM
Laser rangefinders work on Earth in all sorts of environments - from everyday interior buildings to deep dark undergrounds, and wide open deserts, and through all ranges of temperatures from Antarctic winters to interiors of burning buildings. All small, handheld units.
I really fail to see the reason behind your repetition that the moon is different. It isn't. The physics on Earth are the same as those in Heaven.
The reasons for laser rangefinder failures can be found in the manufacturing process and not the environment they find themselves in.
Blackarrow Member
Posts: 3848 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
posted 06-06-2025 09:54 AM
Time for LRO to provide yet another crash-site image.
Headshot Member
Posts: 1413 From: Vancouver, WA, USA Registered: Feb 2012
posted 06-06-2025 01:53 PM
Early lunar landers (US and USSR) used radar to determine altitude during the landing phase. Now we use lasers, probably because lasers are more accurate.
For someone so inclined, make a list of which soft-landers (from all nations) used which altitude determining system and then how many of each type were successful. Repeat the exercise for Martian landers and determine if there is a significant difference. Report the results back here and THEN we can have an intelligent discussion.
star61 Member
Posts: 325 From: Bristol UK Registered: Jan 2005
posted 06-06-2025 05:04 PM
A radar system, even a modern one, would be much more mass to carry than what is presumably a solid state laser.
There would certainly be a lot of diffuse reflection from the broken rocky/dusty surface, but I'm sure that would be accounted for in the sensitivities of the receiver.
Axman Member
Posts: 770 From: Derbyshire UK Registered: Mar 2023
posted 06-08-2025 08:36 AM
quote:Originally posted by Headshot: Now Report the results back here and THEN we can have an intelligent discussion.
I fail to see any logic in your argument whatsoever.
The failures we were discussing were concerned with laser rangefinding equipment, not the process itself. If the vehicles had crashed due to radar then we would be discussing that, but they weren't.
If your premise is that radar is better than laser rangefinding, then I'm gobsmacked.
Radar was an antecedent technology to laser, which is why it was used in earlier space programs. Laser is more powerful, more directive, smaller, and less energy consumptive per unit (a bit like the difference which explains why Blu-ray discs are preferred to vinyl records today).
You only have to look at the Chinese Rino.ai and Pony.ai experimental autonomous driverless heavy goods trucks that operate between Beijing and Tianjin port to notice both the absence of large, unwieldy, obtrusive radar equipment and the small, almost tiny laser rangefinding module which is installed.
It's also common sense from a physics point of view that you should use light not radio as radio waves operate in the gigahertz (GHz) range while lasers operate in the terahertz (THz) range, which gives much higher data rates and more information being encoded per second by laser than radar.
Anything else you need to know before we have an intelligent discussion?