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Robert Pearlman
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posted 01-07-2025 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please use this topic to discuss ispace's HAKUTO-R Mission 2 to the moon to deliver the company's RESILIENCE Lander and Micro Rover to the surface of the moon

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SpaceX is targeting 1:11 a.m. EST (0711 GMT) on Wednesday, Jan. 15 for the launch of ispace's HAKUTO-R Mission 2, the company's second attempt at a soft landing on the moon.

The RESILIENCE lander will launch on a Falcon 9 rocket from Launch Complex 39A at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

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posted 01-15-2025 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ispace video

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posted 03-03-2025 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ispace expects its Resilience lander to enter lunar orbit on May 6 and is targeting a touchdown on June 5 at 3:24 p.m. EDT (1924 GMT).

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ispace update
Hello from lunar orbit!
  • RESILIENCE status: nominal

  • Distance above the Lunar surface: between ca. 100 km to 2,300 km

  • Current orbital phase: Lunar orbiting phase, osculating between ca. 3,200 km/h to 6,800 km/h
This photo was taken with the spot camera mounted on top of the lander, making the cover that protects the TENACIOUS micro rover visible in the bottom right of the image.

Landing is slated for June 5, 2025 at 19:24 UTC // 15:24 EDT, so stay tuned for updates!

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NASA release
NASA's LRO Views Japan's RESILENCE Lunar Lander Landing Area

NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera (LROC) imaged the landing area of the ispace SMBC x HAKUTO-R Venture Moon Mission 2 RESILIENCE lunar lander which is slated to land on the surface of the Moon no earlier than June 5, 2025 (UTC).

This view of the primary landing area is 3.13 miles (5,040 meters) wide and north is up. The site is in Mare Frigoris, a volcanic region interspersed with large-scale faults known as wrinkle ridges. Mare Frigoris formed over 3.5 billion years ago as massive basalt eruptions flooded low-lying terrain.

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quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
...targeting a touchdown on June 5 at 3:24 p.m. EDT (1924 GMT).
ispace is now targeting 3:17 p.m. EDT (1917 GMT) on Thursday (June 5).

A livestream will begin at 2:10 p.m. EDT (1810 GMT).

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ispace live video
ispace SMBC x Hakuto-R Venture Moon: Live Landing Coverage

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ispace was not immediately able to confirm the status of Resilience after the expected landing time. When an update is available, it will be shared here.

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posted 06-05-2025 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm afraid it looks like the Moon has a new crater. You could see it on the faces in the control centre.

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ispace statement
At this moment, we have not yet been able to establish communication with RESILIENCE, but ispace engineers in our Mission Control Center are continuing to work to contact the lander.

We will share an update with the latest information in a media announcement in the next few hours. Thank you for your patience.

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posted 06-06-2025 05:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The last public telemetry on the broadcast showed 187kmh (116 mph) at 52 m altitude (171 feet). If that was correct, I’d suggest the mission is over.

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From ispace:
Based on the currently available data, the Mission Control Center has been able to confirm the following: The laser rangefinder used to measure the distance to the lunar surface experienced delays in obtaining valid measurement values. As a result, the lander was unable to decelerate sufficiently to reach the required speed for the planned lunar landing. Based on these circumstances, it is currently assumed that the lander likely performed a hard landing on the lunar surface.

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posted 06-06-2025 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Axman   Click Here to Email Axman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yet another laser rangefinder unfit for purpose.

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posted 06-06-2025 08:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Or just perhaps the conditions on the moon are not like they are on Earth and the assumption that they are underscore the complexity of a lunar landing.

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posted 06-06-2025 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Axman   Click Here to Email Axman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Laser rangefinders work on Earth in all sorts of environments - from everyday interior buildings to deep dark undergrounds, and wide open deserts, and through all ranges of temperatures from Antarctic winters to interiors of burning buildings. All small, handheld units.

I really fail to see the reason behind your repetition that the moon is different. It isn't. The physics on Earth are the same as those in Heaven.

The reasons for laser rangefinder failures can be found in the manufacturing process and not the environment they find themselves in.

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posted 06-06-2025 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Time for LRO to provide yet another crash-site image.

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posted 06-06-2025 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Headshot   Click Here to Email Headshot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Early lunar landers (US and USSR) used radar to determine altitude during the landing phase. Now we use lasers, probably because lasers are more accurate.

For someone so inclined, make a list of which soft-landers (from all nations) used which altitude determining system and then how many of each type were successful. Repeat the exercise for Martian landers and determine if there is a significant difference. Report the results back here and THEN we can have an intelligent discussion.

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A radar system, even a modern one, would be much more mass to carry than what is presumably a solid state laser.

There would certainly be a lot of diffuse reflection from the broken rocky/dusty surface, but I'm sure that would be accounted for in the sensitivities of the receiver.

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posted 06-08-2025 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Axman   Click Here to Email Axman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Headshot:
Now Report the results back here and THEN we can have an intelligent discussion.
I fail to see any logic in your argument whatsoever.

The failures we were discussing were concerned with laser rangefinding equipment, not the process itself. If the vehicles had crashed due to radar then we would be discussing that, but they weren't.

If your premise is that radar is better than laser rangefinding, then I'm gobsmacked.

Radar was an antecedent technology to laser, which is why it was used in earlier space programs. Laser is more powerful, more directive, smaller, and less energy consumptive per unit (a bit like the difference which explains why Blu-ray discs are preferred to vinyl records today).

You only have to look at the Chinese Rino.ai and Pony.ai experimental autonomous driverless heavy goods trucks that operate between Beijing and Tianjin port to notice both the absence of large, unwieldy, obtrusive radar equipment and the small, almost tiny laser rangefinding module which is installed.

It's also common sense from a physics point of view that you should use light not radio as radio waves operate in the gigahertz (GHz) range while lasers operate in the terahertz (THz) range, which gives much higher data rates and more information being encoded per second by laser than radar.

Anything else you need to know before we have an intelligent discussion?

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