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Robert Pearlman
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posted 12-26-2011 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Canadian Press reports that Canadian astronauts could be stuck on the ground for years following Chris Hadfield's mission in 2012.
NASA has an agreement to ship all Canadian astronauts up to the space station as long at it's in orbit, which is until at least 2020. Because it helped build the space station using the giant robotic Canadarms, Canada gets "credits" for trips to the space station.

That basically means it's able to send an astronaut with the Americans picking up the tab, under a barter system.

One small problem: Canada has no credits left after Hadfield's flight.

"We've used up all our credits for transport of Canadian astronauts to the International Space Station," Leclerc said. "We're trying to negotiate a flight before 2019, obviously."

The article goes on to mention CSA hopes to fly astronauts on U.S. commercial vehicles. They have ruled out buying a seat on Soyuz.
"It's not something we can afford," he said, adding that the going rate for a seat on a Soyuz is between $50 million and $60 million.

music_space
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posted 12-26-2011 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for music_space   Click Here to Email music_space     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sad news... I wonder what was the agreed cost in credits for a Canadian flight on the shuttle.

I'd also like to know which price they expect to pay to buy a seat with a U.S. commercial supplier...

Delta7
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posted 12-27-2011 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delta7   Click Here to Email Delta7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did CSA get their statement in the mail from NASA, open it up and go "Whoah!"? Was there something in the fine print of the contract they weren't aware of? Will they get 20% off if they buy more credits before next Sunday?

It just seems odd to me that they would suddenly determine this. It's a multi-national space project, not the "Book-of-the-Month Club"! I must be missing something here, because it just seems like strangely poor planning for such a comprehensive program.

issman1
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posted 12-27-2011 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for issman1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I assume that ESA and JAXA still have a good credit score? But it would be interesting to know which commercial carrier is the optimum choice for CSA.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 12-27-2011 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Delta7:
It just seems odd to me that they would suddenly determine this.
I would suggest it is the Canadian Press that just realized (i.e. reported) this, rather than the Canadian Space Agency being caught off guard.
quote:
Originally posted by issman1:
But it would be interesting to know which commercial carrier is the optimum choice for CSA.
My guess would be the one(s) that NASA chooses and which start offering their services first.

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 12-27-2011 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Hello, this is the International Space Station, Peggy speaking."

"Peggy?! This is Steve MacLean, Canadian Space Agency president. I have a question on credits."

"Hold on, let me transfer you...." "Transferring." "Transferring." "Transferring!"

Jay Chladek
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posted 01-02-2012 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ROFL!!!

Nice one Hart!

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 01-03-2012 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, it's either that or MaxQ doing FreeCreditReport[dot]com, with regards to "ESA and JAXA still (having) a good credit score" (Chris Hadfield singing):
They say an astronaut is the pride of the nation
So why can't I go back to the International Space Station?
It's all because some hacker stole my identity
Leaving me Earthbound instead of zero-G
Should'a gone to free credit report dot com
Now I'm stuck here in northern Kazahkstan
They monitor your credit and send you e-mail alerts
So you don't wait for a rocket ride, shivering in a yurt.

issman1
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posted 01-03-2012 07:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for issman1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps Mr. Hadfield could play this on board ISS on behalf of Julie Payette, David Saint-Jacques and Jeremy Hansen.

alcyone
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posted 01-03-2012 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alcyone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
End of big, robust STS programme basically grounds Canadian astronauts. It is disappointing that after Expedition 34, Canadians won't be able to continue to fly on ISS, built with Canadian participation.

Current situation is a reminder of real politik nature of current space: no rockets, no rides into space. Canadians will have to wait until existing boosters get man-rated, and/or commercial space bears fruit.

"Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got til it's gone"
- Joni Mitchell, Big Yellow Taxi

alanh_7
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posted 01-03-2012 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanh_7   Click Here to Email alanh_7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought I had read somewhere that the ESA and Canadian Space Agency were considering co-funding with the Russian an additional Soyuz flight per year? I wish I could remember where I read it. I may be mistaken.

On edit: I found this article on Spaceflight Now regarding my comment on ESA-CSA Soyuz flights.

Delta7
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posted 09-28-2012 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delta7   Click Here to Email Delta7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any update on this subject? Canada was planning on flying an astronaut on an ISS expedition every 3 years. The next slot would be in 2015 and crews will be assigned for the remaining 3 unassigned launches for that year (Soyuz TMA-17M, 18M and 19M), over the next few months I presume. Where does the CSA stand right now?

onesmallstep
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posted 11-27-2012 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for onesmallstep   Click Here to Email onesmallstep     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A shame if the CSA winds down manned flights to orbit; Canada and her engineers and scientists have been in the US space program for decades (many of those involved in the cancelled Avro Arrow fighter-interceptor went to work for NASA and US space industries). Let's hope someone sees the light, eh?

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