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Robert Pearlman
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posted 01-13-2015 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sergei Savelyev, chief of the Russian Space Agency (Roscosmos), said in an interview on Tuesday (Jan. 13) that Russia's plans through 2025 do not envision building a new space station of its own, contrary to recent media reports.
"A possibility of creating a new Russian space station does exist in principle. Such project may be implemented in international cooperation, with China for example. But neither the current, nor the draft of a future federal space programme have such provisions. Such project can be linked with the lifecycle of the International Space Station," he said.
Instead, as RussianSpaceWeb.com reports, engineers at Russia's chief manned spacecraft contractor are developing a habitable orbital laboratory to dock at the Russian segment of the International Space Station in 2017 or 2018.

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It seems that the Russians are either changing their minds on a weekly basis, or that nobody there is really in charge of any long-range planning for their space program.

The fact is that global politics are in such flux these days that their opinion of working with the U.S. is probably subject to the mood of the country's leadership. The "recent media reports" are very indicative of this.

In the U.S., we have a Presidential election cycle that just began. Once that is done inside of two years, space exploration policy will likely change again, and not just in how we cooperate with Russia.

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There's a simpler, and possibly more likely, explanation for the earlier media reports — they were unsourced.

Many, if not most of the media reports suggesting Russia had plans for its own space station trace back to the Kommersant newspaper, which cited an unnamed "engineering source." The original article was translated into English by other Russian publications, which was then paraphrased by Western media outfits, and, as they say, we were off to the races.

Roscosmos has a history of floating ideas to the media as trial balloons, so that may have been what happened here. Or it may have simply been a poorly sourced story. Either way, it doesn't require a change in politics to explain the dialing back of the news now.

Regardless of what Russia may feel about the United States, it currently cannot afford to undertake any large space projects alone. And with a lot already invested in the International Space Station, the nation has little to gain from walking away.

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Russia plans to stay part of the International Space Station partnership until 2024, then undock some of its modules to create a standalone base in orbit, the Russian space agency announced Tuesday, Spaceflight Now reports.
A statement posted to the Russian space agency's website said a meeting of the Roscosmos science and technical council considered Russia's future human spaceflight plans, favoring the continued use of the International Space Station until 2024.

Then Russia plans to remove its modules from the International Space Station to form an all-Russian complex in orbit.

The statement said "a configuration of a multi-purpose laboratory module, a (docking) node module, and a scientific power module creates a promising Russian space station to meet the challenges of providing secure access to space (for Russia)."

...the laboratory module, docking system and scientific power platform Russia intends to use for its follow-on space station are set for launch to the ISS over the next few years after lengthy delays due to funding woes and technical problems.

The statement did not discuss the fate of the oldest Russian components of the International Space Station — the Zvezda service module, the Zarya storage compartment, and smaller docking ports. Most of the older Russian modules will have spent more than 20 years in orbit by 2024, well beyond their original design lifetimes.

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Just for interests sakes, does anyone know what the original planned lifespan of the U.S. segments of the ISS was? I realize that the expected likelihood was that they could go significantly longer (such as the Curiosity mission was only planned for two years, but potentially the MSL could work for well over a decade). At this point the Unity module is already over 16 years old.

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I believe the original minimum lifespan of the space station modules (beginning with Zarya) was 15 years on orbit.

Just to further explore Roscosmos' statement, what in essence they are saying is that if they are going to invest in launching new modules to the space station by 2020, and if the U.S. is only going to support the space station through 2024, then Russia will recupe its investment by removing those new(er) modules rather than deorbit them and use them as the core for a new outpost.

That, of course, assumes:

  1. Russia actually launches the MLM and associated modules by 2024, and
  2. the U.S. doesn't again extend the ISS to 2028 (or beyond), in which case Russia might delay its own plans for those new(er) modules.

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Russian media agencies are reporting that Roscosmos and NASA have agreed to work together on a post-ISS space station. From TASS:
Russia's space agency Roscosmos and its US counterpart NASA have agreed to build a new space station to replace the current ISS when its life cycle expires.

"We have agreed that Roscosmos and NASA will be working together on the program of a future space station," Roscosmos chief Igor Komarov told a news conference on Saturday.

Based on this Russia Today (RT) report though, it sounds more like the two space agencies have agreed to contribute to each other's post-space station plans, rather than specifically jointly developing a new outpost.
The two agencies will be unifying their standards and systems of manned space programs, according to Komarov. "This is very important to future missions and stations."

...the next goal for the two agencies is a joint mission to Mars, NASA chief Charles Bolden told journalists.

Roscosmos and NASA are working with each other and other partners on a global roadmap of space exploration, Bolden said. "Our area of cooperation will be Mars. We are discussing how best to use the resources, the finance, we are setting time frames and distributing efforts in order to avoid duplication."

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NASA said March 28 it welcomed a Russian commitment to continue operations of the International Space Station beyond 2020, but indicated there were no firm plans to work together on a successor space station, SpaceNews reports.
The agency responded to comments made by the head of Roscosmos, Igor Komarov, earlier in the day that suggested the two space agencies had not only agreed to extend operations of the ISS to 2024, but also to replace the ISS with a new station of some kind after 2024.

...In a statement provided to SpaceNews March 28, NASA spokesman David Weaver said the agency appreciated the Russian commitment to extending the ISS, but did not confirm any plans for a future space station.

"We are pleased Roscosmos wants to continue full use of the International Space Station through 2024 — a priority of ours — and expressed interest in continuing international cooperation for human space exploration beyond that," Weaver said.

Weaver added that the US was interested in international cooperation to support the agency's long-term goal of human mission to Mars in the 2030s. He did not directly address Komarov’s comments, but said NASA's current emphasis was on operations of the ISS.

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Putin today:
By 2023 we are going to create our own national orbital station in orbit… We will definitely bring this project to fruition, and, no doubt, it will be under our control.

From the national station, of course, we will be able to see the whole territory of our vast country.

Intstead of Baikonur, Vostochny will be next launching facility.

All times are CT (US)

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