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cosmos-walter
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posted 03-23-2012 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmos-walter   Click Here to Email cosmos-walter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For my forthcoming book on pioneer rocket mail and space mail I am checking the landing sites of manned Soyuz spacecrafts. Thus I had to learn they differ in different sources.

For example: Wikipedia says Soyuz 4 landed on January 17, 1969, 100 km (62 mi) southwest of Karaganda. Spacefacts says Soyuz 4 landed on the same day 40 km northwest of Karaganda.

Does anybody of you know a reliable source for Soyuz landing sites? I would not mind, if they were in Russian language.

moorouge
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posted 03-24-2012 01:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Soyuz 4 landed north west.

MSS
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posted 03-24-2012 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MSS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are they!

cosmos-walter
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posted 03-24-2012 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmos-walter   Click Here to Email cosmos-walter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you very much for the link.

cosmos-walter
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posted 03-25-2012 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmos-walter   Click Here to Email cosmos-walter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now I have one more bet for Soyuz 19 - ASTP landing site:
  • Spacefacts: 87 km NE of Arkalyk
  • Maciej Stolowski: 54 km NE of Arkalyk
  • Vitali Koslov's (a fellow collector from Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine) list I used in my book: 34 km NW of Arkalyk
There is still much research left to do.

alec
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posted 03-26-2012 04:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for alec   Click Here to Email alec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Difficult task Walter! See, for example.

I will look for some references on ASTP - Soyuz 19 and let you know. I have somewhere an "official" document... but I have to find it.

alec
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posted 03-26-2012 06:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for alec   Click Here to Email alec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about Mark Wade's Encyclopedia Astronautica?
Landing of Soyuz 19 (ASTP) - . Return Crew: Kubasov; Leonov. Nation: USSR. Related Persons: Kubasov; Leonov. Program: ASTP. Flight: Soyuz 19 (ASTP); Apollo (ASTP). Summary: Soyuz 19 landed safely at 10:51 GMT, 87 km north-east of Arkalyk, 9. 6 km from its aim point.

cosmos-walter
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posted 03-26-2012 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmos-walter   Click Here to Email cosmos-walter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mark Wade's Encyclopedia Astronautica says: "Soyuz 4 prepared to land and the three crew successfully landed 100 km SW of Karaganda."

This contradicts two maps with early Soviet landing sites which were provided by Eddie Pugh.

MSS
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posted 03-26-2012 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MSS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you know this link with maps, Walter?

cosmos-walter
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posted 03-26-2012 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmos-walter   Click Here to Email cosmos-walter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for this link, Maciej. I did not know Sergei Hlynin's home-page.

Is it the source for the landing sites of your great home-page?

MSS
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posted 03-27-2012 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MSS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The best sources:

kyra
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posted 03-29-2012 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kyra   Click Here to Email kyra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tracked Vostok-6 down to the monuments on Google Earth, and it seems both mouments for the Descent module and Valentina Tereshkova are both several hundered feet northwest (at the same angle) of the official coordinates listed for the FAI. Does this reflect inaccurcies in the pre-GPS world?

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posted 03-31-2012 01:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

kyra
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posted 03-31-2012 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kyra   Click Here to Email kyra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These are interesting maps of the classic flights, Thanks!

I'm wondering if they were based on rough coordinates or the even more vague "210 km SW of Karaganda" that were typically announced at the time. While the distances were accurate, they did not generally take into account NNW, SSE on the compass rose.

The FAI reports are fairly accurate for placement unless a marker has been spotted on the ground or an actual account of the recovery has been published.

All times are CT (US)

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