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Ian Limbrey
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posted 11-06-2016 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ian Limbrey   Click Here to Email Ian Limbrey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Telescopes at the ready for one spectacular view (weather permitting) of the moon on Monday 14th November! This will be the closest the moon has been to Earth since 1948 and will apparently appear about 15% bigger than normal!

The next time this will occur will be sometime in 2034!

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posted 11-06-2016 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for randy   Click Here to Email randy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the heads up. I'll be ready.

Glint
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posted 11-07-2016 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glint   Click Here to Email Glint     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yawn. Much ado about nothing as this is a rather good example of the conventional wisdom being wrong. That conventional wisdom purports that viewing the moon when it is at the full phase is the optimal time. But as most amateur astronomers are aware, full moon is the most uninteresting time for viewing the orb.

According to space.com:

Many people think that the very best time to observe the moon is when it is full. Actually, that's probably the very worst time to look at it for reasons I'll explain later.

The very best time to observe the moon is two or three days after first quarter, for several reasons:

  • The moon is in fine position for evening study.
  • Nearly all of the major lunar features can be seen.
  • The moon is not sufficiently bright to cause loss of detail through glare.
  • As the line of darkness – called the terminator – recedes, features near the border stand out in bold relief; the shadows become stronger and details are more easily seen.
...As the terminator moves on, the sun climbs higher in the lunar sky and the shadows grow shorter and shorter and the lofty lunar mountains will seem to melt into the landscape and almost disappear. This is why a full moon appears flat and one-dimensional, because the sun is shining on it almost directly; there's not much to see in contrasted detail from dark to light areas. In addition, the full moon is absolutely dazzling, especially during the wintertime when it climbs high into the nighttime sky on clear, crisp, sparkling nights.
So although any given lunar feature might appear slightly larger at perigee, those features will be by and large invisible.

Ian Limbrey
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posted 11-07-2016 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ian Limbrey   Click Here to Email Ian Limbrey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree regarding trying to see the lunar features and I only look at the moon (via telescope) during its phases as shadows are cast. This was really to highlight the "close proximity" to the Earth which last happened in 1948 and some may be interested in this fact!

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posted 11-07-2016 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glint   Click Here to Email Glint     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An interesting detail. However, as this chart indicates, at the upcoming November perigee the moon will only be 1,348 km closer to earth than it was at the previous perigee in October, when the moon's apparent size was just a trifle (0.378%) smaller than it will appear this month.

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posted 11-07-2016 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is also the issue of the "Moon illusion" which makes ANY full Moon look unnaturally large when viewed just above the horizon. I guarantee that many people will watch this "super-Moon" when it is just above the horizon and say "WOW! It really is HUGE!" Others will look at it when it is high in the sky and say: "What's so super about that?"

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posted 11-07-2016 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glint   Click Here to Email Glint     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More media "lunacy" regarding this super moon business. Something called ScienceAlert.com published this advice online:
If you're planning on viewing the November 14 supermoon, be sure to get somewhere nice and dark, away from the lights of the city, if you can.
Next to the sun the full moon is the brightest thing in the sky. On a global scale the moon is all by itself the world's biggest source of light pollution at night. So rushing off to dark skies won't help any.

Practically the only thing standing in the way that could conceivably prevent anyone in the world from seeing the full moon, no matter how bad the light pollution at their location can possibly get that day, is clouds.

But of course the article didn't think to inform you about that factoid. Something like, "Hey, make sure you go somewhere it's clear out, okay?" would have been useful. But no, when it comes to seeing the full moon, Science Alert will tell you it's dark skies that' the most important thing to write about and keep in mind when viewing a brilliant full moon that's made even brighter by the fact that it will be occurring at perigee.

The one other thing that might prevent someone from witnessing the super duper moon would be if they are located south of about South Latitude 75, as the moon will be below their horizon the entire day. That basically includes a lot of Antarctica.

Anyway, for those of you that can't wait to see it, just wanted to say not to waste your precious fuel trying to get to dark skies to view the full moon. No sense frightening the climate fanatics by burning more fossil fuel.

Just stay home and watch it. Unless it's cloudy that is, in which case load up the gas guzzler with a telescope and fuel, start driving, and don't stop until you hit clear skies.

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posted 11-09-2016 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Glint:
On a global scale the moon is all by itself the world's biggest source of light pollution at night. So rushing off to dark skies won't help any.

Am going to make sure that I have three match sticks in my pocket so that I can hold them out at arm's length to blot out the Moon when I get dazzled by the brightness.

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posted 11-09-2016 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oly   Click Here to Email oly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Ian for highlighting the upcoming supermoon fact. I will take some time to look up and appreciate the event.

Ian Limbrey
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posted 11-09-2016 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ian Limbrey   Click Here to Email Ian Limbrey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Oly! I shall look forward to update you all with the next 'Super Moon' in November 2034 if you can wait that long!

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posted 11-09-2016 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NASA video
The moon is a familiar sight, but the days leading up to Monday, Nov. 14, promise a spectacular supermoon show. When a full moon makes its closest pass to Earth in its orbit it appears up to 14 percent bigger and 30 percent brighter, making it a supermoon. This month's is especially 'super' for two reasons: it is the only supermoon this year to be completely full, and it is the closest moon to Earth since 1948. The moon won't be this super again until 2034!

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posted 11-09-2016 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ian Limbrey   Click Here to Email Ian Limbrey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robert, many thanks for your input, much appreciated!

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posted 11-09-2016 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NASA release
Shoot the Supermoon Like a Pro

Weather permitting, on Sunday, Nov. 13 and Monday, Nov. 14, you'll be treated to a showstopper supermoon that will be the closest moon to Earth in almost 70 years. We won't see a supermoon like this until 2034, so this is a great opportunity to preserve and share the event with a great photo.

Enter Bill Ingalls, NASA's senior photographer and a fixture at NASA Headquarters, with a salt-and-pepper ponytail and a ready smile. Bill has traveled all over the world for more than 25 years photographing missions for NASA, but he can also be found right in his own backyard – the DC area – anytime there's a supermoon, meteor shower or other eye candy in the heavens.

Bill's #1 tip for capturing that great lunar photo: "Don't make the mistake of photographing the moon by itself with no reference to anything," he said. "I've certainly done it myself, but everyone will get that shot. Instead, think of how to make the image creative — that means tying it into some land-based object. It can be a local landmark or anything to give your photo a sense of place."

Ingalls goes to great lengths to scout out the perfect vantage point to juxtapose the moon with various Washington monuments. "It means doing a lot of homework. I use Google Maps and other apps – even a compass — to plan where to get just the right angle at the right time." He often scouts locations a day or more in advance, getting permission to access rooftops or traveling to remote areas to avoid light pollution.

A slight miscalculation can result in a mad scramble; he recalls seeing hundreds of photographers who set tripods hundreds of yards away for a supermoon shot from Washington's Iwo Jima monument. "I thought my calculations were wrong, but – sure enough – the moon popped up right where I expected, and then came the stampede," he chuckled.

You don't have to live near an iconic landmark or talk your way onto a rooftop to get the perfect shot. Instead, work with what you have. Ingalls trekked to Shenandoah National Park in 2009 to photograph Comet Lulin and faced a challenge. "I had just basic equipment and saw all these people with great telescopes making a picture I could never get. So what could I do differently?" Ingalls aimed his long lens between the trees, using the red light of his headlamp to paint the forest with a long exposure. The result was magical, with National Geographic naming his comet image one of the top 10 space photos of the year.

Ingalls says the Nov. 14 supermoon can be a great family activity, whether you head outside after sunset or early in the morning. "I think this would be a lot of fun to do with kids, if nothing else, to just have them witness it and talk about what's taking place." He recommends personalizing the experience by using people in the shot. "There are lots of great photos of people appearing to be holding the moon in their hand and that kind of thing. You can get really creative with it," he said.

While the moon will be at perigee – the closest point to Earth – at 6:22 a.m. EST on Monday the 14th, viewing will still be super after sunset on both Nov. 13 and 14, with only subtle difference in the moon's size and brightness. So this will provide lots of opportunity to experiment with different locations, exposure times and foregrounds. And if it's cloudy on Sunday night, you can always try again on Monday.

Is it hopeless to attempt a supermoon image with a smartphone camera? Ingalls says, "It's all relative. For me, it would be maddening and frustrating — yet it may be a good challenge, actually. You're not going to get a giant moon in your shot, but you can do something more panoramic, including some foreground that's interesting. Think about being in an urban area where it's a little bit brighter."

To get the right light balance of the moon on newer iPhones and other smartphones, "Tap the screen and hold your finger on the object (in this case, the moon) to lock the focus. Then slide your finger up or down to darken or lighten the exposure."

For digital SLR photography, Ingalls uses the daylight white balance setting for capturing moonlight, since sunlight is being reflected. For those with longer lenses he advises, "Keep in mind that the moon is a moving object. It's a balancing act between trying to get the right exposure and realizing that the shutter speed typically needs to be a lot faster."

While Ingalls will be on assignment in Baikonur, Kazakhstan during next week's celestial event, the supermoon is still beckoning. "I certainly hope I can get something," he said.

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NASA photos (credit: Bill Ingalls)
The moon, or supermoon, is seen rising behind the Soyuz rocket at the Baikonur Cosmodrome launch pad in Kazakhstan, Monday, Nov. 14, 2016.

NASA astronaut Peggy Whitson, Russian cosmonaut Oleg Novitskiy of Roscosmos, and ESA astronaut Thomas Pesquet will launch from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan the morning of November 18 (Kazakh time). All three will spend approximately six months on the orbital complex. A supermoon occurs when the moon's orbit is closest (perigee) to Earth.

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posted 11-14-2016 10:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51   Click Here to Email p51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No supermoon for me. The clouds are so thick here, you can't even see a light spot in them. You wouldn't even know it was even facing this hemisphere right now.

I hate this time of year.

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posted 11-25-2016 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glint   Click Here to Email Glint     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Finally, a little bit of sanity prevails, and from PC magazine of all places. See Supermoons Are Super Dumb. The super moon craze propagated just like a fake news story.

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Maybe a little bit of sanity but not if you look at the comments - the general public were not happy to be told there was nothing special about this moon.

At the time I tried to find some details on the relative size of other full moons this year but struggled to find them. Now I did dig up a page that list the other 'supermoons' with their diameters in arc-minutes.

This shows that if you missed the November 14 'supermoon' (33.52 arc-minutes) you only need to wait a couple more weeks for the December 14 version which will measure 33.24 arc-minutes in diameter, barely 1% smaller.

If you can wait a little longer the full moon of January 2, 2018 will measure 33.51 arc-minutes, barely 3 hundredths of a percent (0.0003) smaller than that of November 14.

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quote:
Originally posted by Glint:
Finally, a little bit of sanity prevails, and from PC magazine of all places.
The author of the PC Magazine article "Supermoons are Dumb" has given their perspective or opinion.

I took some time out to get some photos of the supermoon as it was rising over the horizon and later in the night on a perfectly clear sky. I have done this many times and I am happy with the images I captured this time. The supermoon means that the moon is that little bit closer. This is the same as being able to position yourself just a little closer to photograph a rocket launch, get a little closer to a museum exhibit or stand closer to a sporting event or motor race to capture a more detailed image.

I am not deeply into computers, to me they are a tool that I use to get a job done. PC Magazine will spend hours reviewing the latest computers and getting excited over the fact that this processor is a nanofart farster than the last item that was outdated before it hit the shop shelves anyway or how a laptop touchpad gives the user a feeling of ecstasy and brought them to the edge of...

If the hype of the supermoon got just one kid to put down their gaming console controller, walk outside and look up to discover there is more to this world than manipulating pixels on a screen then I believe that the hype was worth it.

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I agree with the idea of encouraging people to look at the moon but it's still pure hype.

In terms of photography lets say you have a DLSR with a 5568 x 3712 resolution. Filling most of the vertical frame with the supermoon results in a moon that's 3352 pixels across. A picture of December's full moon with all the same settings would mean a moon image 3324 pixels across - barely noticeable by anyone, and the same photograph of the moon in January 2018 would have a moon 3351 pixels across - a single pixel difference.

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