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Robert Pearlman
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With less than 60 days to go until the 2016 U.S. presidential elections, the Democratic and Republican candidates, as well as the Green Party's candidate, have responded to a series of questions about science, engineering, tech, health and environmental issues.

The Presidential Science Debate crowdsourced and refined 20 questions that were then sent to the candidates on behalf of 56 of America's leading nonpartisan science and engineering organizations.

One of the 20 questions, one was devoted to the topic of space:

There is a political debate over America's national approach to space exploration and use. What should America's national goals be for space exploration and earth observation from space, and what steps would your administration take to achieve them?

Hillary Clinton:

President Kennedy's challenge in 1962 to go to the Moon within a decade electrified the nation, prompted a long period of American leadership in science and technology, and spurred a generation of innovators.

In the decades since, we have explored the sun and every planet in our solar system; mapped the surface and studied the atmosphere of Mars and confirmed the presence of water on the Red Planet; discovered new solar systems with Earth-like planets; mapped the distribution of galaxies in the universe; observed black holes, dark matter, and dark energy; built programs to monitor our ozone layer and the catastrophic impact of global climate change; and identified and mapped near-Earth asteroids as a first step to protect our planet from a major asteroid impact. The International Space Station stands as the largest and most complex international technological project in history and has been key to understanding the response of the human body to long periods in zero gravity. And in recent years, new companies have sprung up that offer the promise of innovative approaches to transporting cargo and, eventually, humans in space. Americans have always been willing to think big, take risks, and push forward. These pillars will continue to underpin what America does in space, just as they define who we are as a people.

As president, my administration will build on this progress, promote innovation, and advance inspirational, achievable, and affordable space initiatives. We must maintain our nation's leadership in space with a program that balances science, technology and exploration; protect our security and the future of the planet through international collaboration and Earth systems monitoring; expand our robotic presence in the solar system; and maximize the impact of our R&D and other space program investments by promoting stronger coordination across federal agencies, and cooperation with industry. I will work with Congress to ensure that NASA has the leadership, funding and operational flexibility necessary to work in new ways with industry, placing emphasis on inventing and employing new technologies and efficiencies to get more bang for the buck while creating jobs and growing the American economy.

Today, thanks to a series of successful American robotic explorers, we know more about the Red Planet than ever before. A goal of my administration will be to expand this knowledge even further and advance our ability to make human exploration of Mars a reality.

As a young girl, I was so inspired by America's leadership and accomplishments in space that I wrote to NASA about becoming an astronaut. As president, I will help inspire the next generation of young Americans and do what I can to ensure that we have the world's most exciting and advanced space program, one that meets our highest human aspirations in a world where the sky is no longer the limit.

Donald Trump:

Space exploration has given so much to America, including tremendous pride in our scientific and engineering prowess. A strong space program will encourage our children to seek STEM educational outcomes and will bring millions of jobs and trillions of dollars in investment to this country. The cascading effects of a vibrant space program are legion and can have a positive, constructive impact on the pride and direction of this country. Observation from space and exploring beyond our own space neighborhood should be priorities. We should also seek global partners, because space is not the sole property of America. All humankind benefits from reaching into the stars.

Jill Stein:

We recognize the inspiration provided by space exploration and so we support:

  1. the peaceful exploration of space

  2. space-based systems to monitor environmental conditions on Earth

  3. measures to ensure that space technology benefits all the people of Earth
Space exploration and science are international scientific endeavours requiring cooperation between many nations and peoples across borders. The peaceful exploration of space provides inspiration, education, and valuable scientific knowledge. Cooperation on space science and exploration is a promising path to peace. The US has an opportunity to continue leading in space science while ending space militarization. The US can lead international collaboration in space science and exploration without privatizing outer space or turning over space science and exploration efforts to corporations.

Climate science, including the study of other planets in our solar system and beyond, is essential for understanding how to address climate change on Earth. Space science, exploration, and Earth observation provide tools, technologies, and science to help address not only climate change but flooding, drought, storms, famine, and other crises. By focusing US space efforts away from corporate and military interests, we can work to create peace here on Earth and in space, prevent the deployment of space weapons and instead focus on technologies to solve problems on Earth, not create new ones.

Here are steps we will take to advance space exploration and science:

  • Funding STEM education and forgiving student debt of STEM scholars so they can focus on science and research.

  • signing of the International Treaty for the Demilitarization of Space.

  • Ensuring scientists, not corporate or military interests, are driving the space exploration and science agenda

  • Ensure funding of pure research, for the benefit of all humanity and our planet.

  • Work closely with the United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs (UNOOSA) on ensuring the peaceful exploration of space.
The questions were also submitted to Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party, but he has not yet responded. Update: Johnson has now replied:
Private corporations are increasingly interested in space travel, and the private sector has access to far more resources than the public, so we welcome private participation and even dominance in space exploration.

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Nice to see they responded but the standard political answers. Play it safe, use a few catch phrases, hope they will go away. It would have been refreshing if one specific program was mentioned. I am probably expecting too much.

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I expected the same old rhetoric merely paying lip service to NASA's glory days.

Not until one or both candidates is prepared to fully commit to building a moon base or a crewed mission to Mars in the next 10 years is there any point hoping things will change.

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Hard to believe Clinton is still using the same "I wanted to be an astronaut but NASA told me no" story when the claim has been roundly debunked, most notably in this non-partisan analysis by Jim Oberg.

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Oberg's 2013 article does not debunk the possibility that Clinton wrote NASA as she said, or received a response as she describes.

Further, Oberg's essay is out of date. Since it was written, a couple of examples of NASA letters dating to 1962 have been shared by those who kept them. One advises, "we have no existing program concerning women astronauts nor do we contemplate any such plan."

The letter was signed O.B. Lloyd, who "Marketing the Moon" (Jurek, Scott) identifies as one of the five public affairs officers working at NASA Headquarters between 1960 and 1963.

The letter itself does not confirm Clinton's account, but it does provide evidence that NASA did cite gender as a specific disqualification for the astronaut program. As the Washington Post wrote:

After receiving more information from the National Air and Space Museum, specifically a March 1962 letter with a similar tone and message as the Miss Kelly letter and Clinton's account, we decided the claim met the "reasonable person" standard. We award Clinton the rare Geppetto Checkmark.

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I would have to see her actual letter to be convinced of the authenticity of this story.

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posted 09-13-2016 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, that is your personal bias, which is fine, but has nothing to do with Clinton's (or Trump's) views on space.

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posted 09-13-2016 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fra Mauro   Click Here to Email Fra Mauro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's almost to the point where it's almost useless to ask candidates questions about their plans for NASA.

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I would disagree, if only in the context of the other questions posed to them as part of the Science Debate. Some of the candidates were indifferent or deferred from answering the questions put to them, or inferred they would take no action on the subject at hand.

In that sense, the fact that all three candidates (who replied) said that they would continue to support NASA does say something about how they view the space program (or at least how they want the scientific community to view their views about the space program).

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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
Well, that is your personal bias, which is fine, but has nothing to do with Clinton's (or Trump's) views on space.
Well, actually it does. When Clinton repeatedly brings this up as evidence of her support to a particular interested party. Unfortunately, without the actual document it means about as much as anything else she says about her interest in the space program.

And political candidates don't give a whim about what the "scientific community" thinks of their views, as they are not a significant voting demographic.

Comparing the generalized comments from past presidential elections with the actions taken after winning office clearly demonstrates how insincere many of the promises are. And sadly, the one candidate who clearly stated what his near term goal would be for space got laughed at and parodied on SNL.

Personally, I think if Clinton wanted to pander, she could much more easily just said, "I wanted to be an astronaut ever since I was a little kid," rather than sending people on a wild goose chase for a document (or evidence of a document) that may have never existed.

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The only people who were sent on a wild goose chase were her detractors. Taken at face value, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the account as she has told it.

The original letter is not necessary for the story as told to be plausible.

I agree that the reaction to the moonbase was regrettable, but it was also predictable. The timing and packaging of such a policy proposal was wrong by all accounts.

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Regarding Clinton's statement:
President Kennedy's challenge in 1962 to go to the Moon within a decade
That challenge, of course, happened in 1961.

Robert Pearlman
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Both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump responded to nine questions concerning U.S. civil and military space policy put to them by SpaceNews. Here are the nine questions; see here for the replies.
  1. In 2016, NASA’s $19.3 billion budget represents a little less than 0.5 percent of the federal budget. Does that sound too high, too low or like an appropriate level of funding?

  2. Much of the U.S. military space budget is classified. Analysts believe that spending has been rising in recent years. Is that a good idea? Why or why not?

  3. What would be your priorities for the U.S. government’s military space program?

  4. What would be your priorities for the U.S. government’s civil space program?

  5. NASA has invested heavily in Earth observation satellites in recent years due, in part, to concerns about climate change. Would you continue to make Earth observation a priority?

  6. NASA currently plans to send astronauts to an asteroid in the mid-2020s and to send astronauts to Mars in the 2030s. Do you support those plans? Why or why not?

  7. You have been an advocate for public-private partnerships. Could those be used to support space exploration? If so, how would those public-private partnerships work?

  8. Do you have any memory of the Apollo moon landing you would like to share?

  9. Any other comments you would like to make?

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Questions like those asked the candidates are a waste of time. They mean nothing in an election year.

For Ms. Clinton, she was a U.S. Senator, what is her history of voting for and pushing for support for the US space program? That will show what she actually thinks.

Mr. Trump of course has no such history so he has to be taken at face value.

Someone running for President will say what they need to in order to win an election. As soon as they win, what they said is pushed aside.

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Often when politicians are asked about the space program, they bring up the glories of the past without really say much about their vision of the future. I suspect no matter which candidate wins not much will change with regards to civilian spaceflight in any case.

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Both of them said basically the same thing, only using more/fewer words.

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Is there any speculation on whether Gen. Bolden is interested in remaining as administrator if Mrs Clinton wins, which most analysts now say is likely? At 70 he is at an age when many people think of retiring, though many in government service go well beyond that age. The candidates for president are themselves (almost) 69 and 70.

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When Bolden testified before the Senate in March about the proposed 2017 budget for NASA, he said it was "likely his final budget," referencing the coming end of his tenure as NASA Administrator.

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Florida Today reports that Donald Trump is expected to tour Kennedy Space Center next week.
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump plans to tour Kennedy Space Center next Monday, Oct. 24.

The schedule, whose details are still being worked out, anticipates Trump flying into KSC's former space shuttle runway, touring the spaceport and talking with industry representatives in a roundtable discussion hosted by the Economic Development Commission of Florida's Space Coast and Space Florida, the EDC confirmed.

...the EDC has extended similar invitations to congressional and presidential candidates, including Hillary Clinton, to attend aerospace briefings.

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At the Soyuz MS-02 pre-launch press coverage (launch set for 3:05 a.m. CDT Wednesday), NASA astronaut Shane Kimbrough was asked by a reporter if he would be voting from space and given that by the time he lands in late February, either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton will be in the White House, had he given any thought to just staying up in space for the next four years? Kimbrough replied:
We do have procedures in place and I will be voting from space. That will be an honor to do that and exercise the right we do have as Americans. That’s going to be a special thing for me, to be able to always say I voted from space.

As for the candidates, I am pretty much apolitical, so I'm coming home regardless of who is the president, and I will be glad to welcome the new president whoever that is...

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Former Congressman Robert Walker and business professor Peter Navarro, who are serving as senior policy advisers to the Trump campaign, have penned an editorial for SpaceNews expanding on Donald Trump's space policy.
Our past investments in space exploration have produced brilliant returns for our economy, our security, and our sense of national destiny. Today, America's space program is in need of a new vision.

A 21st century space policy requires a bold combination of public missions, commercial solutions and the agility to address real threats and real opportunities. To craft such a policy, government must recognize that space is no longer the province of governments alone...

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Florida Today reports that Donald Trump is expected to tour Kennedy Space Center next week.
Update from Florida Today's James Dean on Twitter:
Donald Trump won't tour Kennedy Space Center, talk space in Brevard on Tuesday; no indoor site big enough for rally near KSC. Replaced by event in Sanford.

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A trip with a nice photo op, little substance. Typical of the politicians.

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This "photo op" has been cancelled. Donald Trump is not a typical politician.

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Eric Berger at Ars Technica writes about the significant space decisions looming for the next president to take office.
At the upper edge of the atmosphere, where the sky kisses outer space, a few molecules of nitrogen and oxygen bounce around. If we consider the presidential election as playing out at the surface of the Earth, amid a thick atmosphere of invective and accusation, it is not a stretch to say the relative importance of space policy lies somewhere near the edge of space, bouncing around inconsequentially, like these stray molecules.

Even so, the next president of the United States will have the ability, if not the desire, to shape the future of America’s civil space programs — especially with major decision points on the horizon, including the privatization of spaceflight and the details of where humans should go beyond low-Earth orbit. For this reason, we're going to look at what changes a new president might make and what attitudes each candidate has had toward space.

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Donald Trump spoke to a crowd on the tarmac at Orlando Sanford International Airport today in central Florida. For the first time this campaign season he mentioned the space program a few times. When talking about restoring our national defense he said, "My plan also includes a major investment in space exploration."

At another point in his speech he said "I will free NASA from the restriction of serving primarily as a logistics agency for low earth orbit activity. Instead, we will refocus it's mission on space exploration. Under a Trump Administration Florida and America will lead the way into the stars."

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Linked to the Eric Berger piece on both candidates' space policy positions is another earlier one by Berger on Hillary's apparent science advisor, Dr. Neal Lane.

The piece notes that:

There is no formal space policy yet for a Clinton White House, but it's likely that Lane would have a meaningful voice in setting that policy after the election if Clinton were to win the presidency.

The former [Bill Clinton] science advisor offered two primary reasons for his view that NASA should refocus on the Moon before setting off deeper into the Solar System. For one, the space agency really doesn't know enough about living and working for long periods of time in harsh environments, Lane said. The lunar surface would offer such a low-gravity test bed, while also offering the safety of being close to Earth.

Perhaps more importantly, Lane views lunar exploration as a powerful tool of international diplomacy. He noted that NASA's current partners, including Europe, Japan, Canada, and Russia, have all expressed their interest in returning to the Moon. Such a plan might also open the door to cooperation with China and India.

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It looks like the Republican Vice Presidential candidate, Indiana Governor Mike Pence will participate in an aerospace roundtable Monday in Cocoa, Florida.
The Economic Development Commission of Florida's Space Coast and Space Florida said that Pence will participate in an aerospace roundtable, which will discuss aerospace policy and the critical role of Florida and the U.S. in space leadership.

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At the Space Coast Convention Center, Republican vice presidential nominee Mike Pence on Monday pledged support for the space program.
Pence, 57, said he remembered black-and-white TV images of the early space programs that served as “anthems of my youth, the inspiration not just of America but of the world.”

...he said a Trump-Pence administration would focus NASA missions on deep space exploration, implying, as advisers have said, that NASA spends too much on Earth-focused science such as investigating climate change.

Pence promised NASA would promote more partnerships with commercial space firms, beyond contracts already in place to fly cargo and soon astronauts to the International Space Station. The Republican nominees also want to revive a National Space Council, led by the vice president, to coordinate policies and technologies across sectors.

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Democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Kaine spoke about his and Hillary Clinton's support for NASA at the Florida Institute of Technology on Friday (Nov. 4).
Noting the importance of space to the local economy, Kaine identified himself and Clinton as strong supporters of NASA and the human spaceflight program fashioned during the Obama administration, with help from U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Florida.

"Hillary and I will work with Sen. Nelson and others to make sure we power forward on this dream, to not only achieve that goal of manned flight to Mars, but to harvest all the scientific benefits that come with it."

Speaking before Kaine, Nelson said he had a stake "in knowing that this program that is on its way and were going to Mars is going to continue."

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Perhaps US politicians/politics are different from those practicing the art in the UK. Those were fine words to a targeted audience. But where does funding for this actually lie in their list of priorities? Isn't this important to discover before actually believing what they say?

On edit - might I add that in the UK there is little correlation to what politicians say on the hustings and what they actually do once in office. But then, I'm just an old cynic.

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Campaign speeches are just that, campaigns. They are rarely an accurate preview of what the candidate will set as policy if elected into office for a number of reasons (not all of them within the candidate's control).

Still, the speeches offer a general sense as to the direction the candidate would like to take, or feels the country wants to take, which can offer some insight into the future administration.

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Donald Trump has been elected the 45th President of the United States.

With the 2016 campaign now over, this thread is being closed.

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