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fredtrav
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posted 01-25-2012 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fredtrav   Click Here to Email fredtrav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The kid says it was found in the Bahamas, Apollo 11 splashed down in the Pacific. They did not seem to pick up on that.

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posted 01-26-2012 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM1   Click Here to Email LM1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dougin SoCA:
One episode that got my attention involved a map that was actually used at the battle of Iwo Jima in WW II.
I have just finished reading "License to Pawn" by Rick Harrison of Pawn Stars. He mentions that the Iwo Jima map is still on display in the shop and that he will probably never sell it unless someone makes him an offer he cannot refuse.

He also mentions on page 254 that "Space stuff is always a hit."

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posted 01-26-2012 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM1   Click Here to Email LM1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by fredtrav:
The kid says it was found in the Bahamas, Apollo 11 splashed down in the Pacific. They did not seem to pick up on that.
I guess that they meant that the Apollo capsules were tested in the Atlantic. How did they know it was Apollo and not Gemini or some other mission? The average person probably thinks that the astronauts landed in the Atlantic near Kennedy Space Center. The average person does not know that we landed on the moon six times.

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posted 02-14-2012 06:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM1   Click Here to Email LM1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The latest episode of Pawn Stars featured the sale of seeds from the LDEF experiment lab (deployed 7 Apr 1984 by Challenger STS-41C and retrieved 12 Jan 1990 by Columbia).

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posted 02-14-2012 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kr4mula   Click Here to Email kr4mula     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I caught the LDEF seeds episode, too. I think the former science teacher wanted $20 a packet for them and ended up with about half of that.

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posted 02-14-2012 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gilbert   Click Here to Email Gilbert     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Iwo Jima map is one of my favorite items to appear on the show.

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posted 02-15-2012 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM1   Click Here to Email LM1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That item belongs in a museum where it can be treated properly. Apparently it is still in the Pawn Shop and is not for sale.

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posted 02-15-2012 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Clow   Click Here to Email Dave Clow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of the earlier Pawn Stars episodes (the first one mentioned in this thread, in fact; see the photo) featured an Apollo 16 flown flag presentation. Space collectors would have spotted it immediately as real, so it was interesting that the shop brought in two authenticators for it, one for the handwriting and one for the whole idea of flown presentation flags.

I get a kick out of the show and find that their expertise in our hobby is lacking compared to their knowledge of other genres. The handwriting expert apparently didn't know it was Charlie Duke's printing under the photo, and the historian suggested that such a flag was likely in the PPK of the astronauts (which he called the "personal preference package").

Here's my question for the experts here — would a flag that was clearly intended for a presentation like this have been included in a PPK, or would a number of such flags have been packed in some nook of the CM by NASA and removed after the flight? Given the limited space in a PPK wouldn't NASA have let the astronauts use it for their own items?

Looking forward to your thoughts.

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posted 02-21-2012 07:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul23   Click Here to Email Paul23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a quick note for UK viewers, the episode with the signed Gemini photo mentioned earlier in this thread was shown on History last night.

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posted 02-22-2012 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Carey   Click Here to Email David Carey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dave Clow:
Here's my question for the experts here — would a flag that was clearly intended for a presentation like this have been included in a PPK, or would a number of such flags have been packed in some nook of the CM by NASA and removed after the flight?
I'm probably not the best expert Dave, but to the question at hand;

My Apollo Aggie patch/US flag combo presentation is from the same general family of presentations as shown in the original post.

I now know the flag at least is a lunar-surface-flown item as clarified with Charlie Duke at the November 2011 Astronaut Autograph and Memorabilia Show. His certification added to the reverse side of the matting board is shown in the second image (I thought it best to leave the front in original condition).

When we were talking about the piece he immediately recognized the flag and his comment was something very close to 'Yeah, those went with me in my LM PPK'. He couldn't say whether the patch was lunar orbit or surface flown but had no ambiguity about the flag and certified accordingly.

I do not know for certain that the same applies to each and every flag in similar presentations from A16 but that's the background here.

It's a favorite and cherished item of mine as an Aggie, made more special by the chance to speak with Charlie about it and learn/certify the lunar-surface origin of the flag. As it turned out the person to whom it was dedicated (Bob Finlay) was also the father-in-law of my wife's favorite professor at A&M. Small world.

So, the astronaut's PPK did indeed carry the flag - to the lunar surface in fact - for the present example. The Personal Preference in this case would seem to be sharing the experience and thanking significant others using flags held in private stowage.

Hope this is helpful.

Dave Clow
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posted 02-22-2012 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Clow   Click Here to Email Dave Clow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Handsome piece, David. I appreciate the reply. I'm still wondering, though — did NASA pack some flags like this separately, knowing that they'd be given away to state governors, foreign dignitaries, etc., or did they stow all such flags in the PPKs?

If it was the latter it seems that they'd be taking up some of the limited personal cargo space the astronauts had. I was imagining that they'd vacuum-pack a couple hundred of the "giveaway" flags in some cranny of the CM instead of asking the astronauts to carry them.

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posted 02-22-2012 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As Chris Spain describes on his Space Flown Artifacts website, NASA packed its own flag kits inside PPK bags.
Note that the kit itself is stored inside a regular PPK bag which is itemised separately. In later flights PPK bags were occasionally used to carry other equipment but these are not really PPK items.
NASA began flying a dedicated Official Flight Kit with the launch of Apollo 17.

Dave Clow
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posted 02-22-2012 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Clow   Click Here to Email Dave Clow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for clarifying, Robert. I wonder how many of these would have been aboard a typical flight?

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posted 02-22-2012 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Carey   Click Here to Email David Carey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I should be more careful in trying to quote my conversation here.

Really can't recall with great precision whether the words "my PPK" or "a PPK" were used, though I still think it was the former. I am quite certain the term PPK was used to describe the flag's transport aboard Orion to the lunar surface.

The original recipient of my presentation was a friend of the Dukes by way of a familial link to Ludy Benjamin Sr., head of still photography at NASA JSC, photographer of the Duke family picture that was left on the moon, and a fellow Carolinian.

In that respect I'd call the flag (and patch) items of a truly personal nature rather than NASA-official mementos to be given to foreign/domestic dignitaries or entities.

This certainly doesn't prove the flag wasn't drawn from the pool of 25 4" x 6" U.S. flags that Chris' website indicates were stowed by NASA, in the LM, and in a PPK bag. It does however leave open the notion that such flags may also have flown in truly personal stowage, for personal dispositions.

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posted 02-22-2012 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just as one data point, Cernan*, Schmitt and Evans did not fly flags in their own personal preference kits.

Instead, Apollo 17 carried 2,000 4"x6" U.S. flags, 300 of which were released to the crew for their personal distribution post-flight.

Apollo 17 was the first flight to include an Official Flight Kit though, so prior flights may have had different configurations.

* Cernan had one exception: he had one U.S. flag in his PPK that had earlier flown on both Gemini 9 and Apollo 10.

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posted 02-22-2012 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Carey   Click Here to Email David Carey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It would seem they really stepped up the flag business with Apollo 17.

The Apollo 17 OFK is shown on the Stowage List with a 13.5 pound weight versus 0.7-0.9 pounds for the flag kit on previous missions, other than Apollo 7 with a 2.5 pound weight (all figures taken from Chris' website above).

The OFK in the case of Apollo 17 had both flags and other NASA-official items for return so it's not a direct comparison, but the 2000 4"x6" U.S. flags mentioned for Apollo 17 represent a big bump.

Consistent with many previous flights, the Apollo 16 Press Kit seems pretty clear in itemizing the official NASA flag kit contents as far more limited:

Also carried on the mission and returned to Earth will be 25 United States flags, 50 individual state flags, flags of United States territories, flags of other national states which are generally accepted as independent in the world community, and flags of the United Nations and other international organizations. These flags are 10 by 15cm (four by six inches).

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posted 02-22-2012 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My understanding is that the formal "flag kits" and the flags carried as mementos were two different entities.

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posted 12-29-2012 06:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While watching Pawn Stars a couple of weeks ago we noticed that there was a artifact over the left shoulder of Rick, the owner. We backed it up and there you can see in the display case one of the Gemini heat shield lucites in shape of the Gemini spacecraft.

See the attached screen shots of the item. I hope there is an episode about it some day.

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posted 07-11-2013 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thump   Click Here to Email thump     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw a commercial for tonight's (July 11, 2013) Pawn Stars episode, and in it a gentleman comes in with a "Space Shuttle toilet seat". From what I have seen in pictures and accurate mock-ups (going by the 2 seconds they showed from the episode), it looked pretty good. Might be of interest to check out tonight.

Also, watching some of the past episodes, I've noticed a reddish colored jacket on the wall over their shoulders as they talk to customers. It appears to have a bunch of Apollo mission patches, but just seems that someone maybe just sewed them on themselves. Anyone else notice this, or have any information on it?

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posted 07-11-2013 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have seen this as well but have not been able to find any info on it. I agree that it looks like a jacket with patches sewn on.

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posted 01-02-2014 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just saw a note that tonight's new Pawn Stars episode at 10PM EST will have a "hybrid rocket engine" as a featured item. Not sure what that actually means but wanted to give a heads up to cS folks.

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posted 01-02-2014 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From the episode description:
Then, a hybrid rocket engine blasts in. Built into a suitcase as a sales sample, will the asking price for this oddity be sky high?

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posted 01-02-2014 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Based on the description probably utilizes acrylic/02 as the propellant combo.

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Rick offered the seller $150 for the suitcase rocket - admittedly a dangerous item to ignite in your living room. How much would you pay for this item?

The seller said that a rocket scientist at Huntsville gave the suitcase rocket to him. Can anyone guess the name of the scientist? What was the purpose of this Suitcase Rocket?

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Tomorrow night (9 p.m. EST, Jan. 16) on Pawn Stars:
Take one giant leap for mankind with the Pawn Stars when Rick checks out a jetpack from the Gemini space program. Used to prove that jetpacks could work in zero gravity, will Rick's offer be out of this world?
Then, on Tuesday (10 p.m. EST, Jan. 21) on American Restoration:
When a 1964 NASA Jet Pack signed by astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Gene Cernan blasts into the shop, Rick and his team prepare for an out-of-this-world restoration.

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Originally posted by LM1:
The seller said that a rocket scientist at Huntsville gave the suitcase rocket to him. Can anyone guess the name of the scientist? What was the purpose of this Suitcase Rocket?
We were given a demonstration of this at Space Camp a few years back. It was made by a Huntsville company called Dynetics. I can't recall the name of the guy who showed it off to us.

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The Huntsville rocket scientist referred to on the show was very likely Tim Pickens, Dynetics' chief propulsion engineer and the former lead for propulsion at Scaled Composites for SpaceShipOne. In addition to building rocket engines professionally, he also has a hobby of building rocket trucks, rocket bikes and suitcase rockets.


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