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alanh_7
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posted 06-23-2009 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanh_7   Click Here to Email alanh_7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a story on CNN.com by Buzz Aldrin about the future of manned spaceflight. Aldrin is also listed on American Morning tomorrow, June 24 at 8am.
We have remained, since our Apollo days, locked in Earth orbit. But five years ago, NASA was tasked with returning to the moon by 2020, rerunning the moon race that we won 40 years ago. Not surprisingly, this new race has failed to ignite the imagination of young Americans -- or their leaders.

What we truly need is not more Cold War-style competition but a destination in space that offers great rewards for the risks to achieve it. I believe that destination must be homesteading Mars, the first human colony on another world.

ejectr
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posted 06-23-2009 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ejectr   Click Here to Email ejectr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Now yer talkin"...Ridley in the Right Stuff

mjanovec
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posted 06-23-2009 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As long as space exploration is described in terms of a "race," there will always be a perception that the race is complete once it has been run. The idea should be exploration and, later, colonization...whether it's on the moon or Mars. Once we learn to stop calling it a "race" we'll be much better off.

Philip
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posted 06-24-2009 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, believe it or not, there's race going on as I strongly believe the Chinese will be the first to return to the Moon.

Max Q
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posted 06-24-2009 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Max Q   Click Here to Email Max Q     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think if America keeps telling the world there's a race eventually the world will believe it and respond in kind.

MCroft04
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posted 06-24-2009 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MCroft04   Click Here to Email MCroft04     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Buzz was on Fox News this morning. He was very upbeat and came across very well. He stressed his desire to go to Mars, but not particularly happy with the moon part of the plan. He stated that we should help other nations get to the moon. When asked why he did the rap song, he replied that he wanted to educate rappers about the importance of going to Mars. He also stated that space is his passion-it changed his life. Buzz gets a lot of criticism, but I am convinced of his sincerity and passion for space!

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posted 06-24-2009 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MCroft04:
When asked why he did the rap song, he replied that he wanted to educate rappers about the importance of going to Mars.
"Rappers" need to be "educated"!

Apollo Redux
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posted 06-26-2009 08:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apollo Redux   Click Here to Email Apollo Redux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's time to follow the Buzz!

AstroAutos
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posted 07-05-2009 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AstroAutos   Click Here to Email AstroAutos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Friday last (4th July) in Britain and Ireland in the Times newspaper was a 20 page souvenir booklet about the Apollo 11 moon landing and included an interesting interview with Buzz Aldrin.

Buzz again makes it known about about how he wants NASA to set its sights on Mars, rather than the Moon.

However what he said about how future manned missions to Mars surprised me. It said in the interview:

Of all the Apollo astronauts he (Buzz) is by far the most vocal in arguing for a return to deep space, most particularly a manned space flight to Mars, although he acknowledges that his plan - for astronauts to travel to Mars, never to return - may be a hard sell. It would take too long to get there for round-trips to be worth the effort,to his mind;a permanent settlement would be the only viable solution.

"You don't out and out say that we're going to Mars on one-way trips" - though of course he just has - "because that shocks people, but that's what it is. So you have to select people in 2016, 2018, on the basis that if they are successful as an astronaut, their career is going to be on another planet. You want to volunteer for that, it's up to you."

This sounds like science fiction. But consider that "Dr. Rendezvous", as he was known in the early days of the space programme for his pioneering work in the way space vehicles could dock with each other in orbit, has been out there: you can't say he doesn't know what he's talking about. In the 1980's he developed the Mars Cycler system, which would fly in continuous orbits between Earth and Mars; the outbound trip would take five-and-a-half months, the return nearly two years. Part of me thinks it sounds crazy; but in truth the greater part of me considers the Vikings, considers Christopher Columbus and Francis Drake and even Darwin, who all set out on voyages of discovery that did not necessarily carry hope of return. NASA's current programme isn't ambitious enough for Buzz; I can't help wondering, however, whether the current economic climate will favour any of the developments he's after for a good while to come.

The above is an extract from an interview carried out by Erica Wagner of 'The Times' with Buzz Aldrin.

I just wanted to know is what Buzz saying a real possibility - that astronauts who travel to Mars may never return?

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posted 07-05-2009 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AstroAutos:
I just wanted to know is what Buzz saying a real possibility - that astronauts who travel to Mars may never return?
Wasn't this mentioned in another thread? I remember reacting to Aldrin's comment about Mars trips being only one-way...but was it here?

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posted 07-06-2009 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, it has been discussed: One-way ticket to Mars, says astronauts

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posted 07-30-2009 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Harrison Schmitt somewhat rebuts Aldrin's plan in a letter to the editor appearing in today's Washington Post.
My fellow Apollo astronaut and lunar module pilot, Buzz Aldrin, favors Mars over the moon ["Time to Boldly Go Once More," op-ed, July 16]. His vision for space policy, however, requires clear thinking instead of just "bold thinking," and Mr. Aldrin missed on several points.

The moon is hardly a "dead end." If that were true, China and other countries would not be so interested. Rather than being "a poor location for homesteading," the moon is ideal for that purpose.

AstroAutos
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posted 07-30-2009 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AstroAutos   Click Here to Email AstroAutos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have to say I agree 100% with Schmitt - the moon is ideal to start building places for human civilisations to survive compared to mars because of its proximity to Earth (3 days to bring supplies is a lot handier than 6 months).

Just my opinion...

MCroft04
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posted 07-30-2009 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MCroft04   Click Here to Email MCroft04     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Schmitt's not afraid to offer his opinion. He once provided editorial feedback to a geological paper written by his own father.

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During the 40th anniversary celebrations of Apollo 11, I made every effort to listen to and watch the comments of Mr Aldrin. And his arguments were not only compelling but convincing to me. Sadly, it now seems that America's space programme (and most of the Western world) is firmly in Low Earth Orbit for several more decades. Once upon a time I felt our fate was in the hands of NASA. They would carry our dreams, in the shape of astronauts, to distant planets. Now that dream is fading fast to the point of day-dreaming. Perhaps at the end of this century, Mr Aldrin's vision will become reality?

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Regardless of which option the Administration chooses from those proposed by the Augustine Commission, all are focused on sending humans to Mars. Contrary to Buzz Aldrin's ideas though, the committee felt that we need a good 15 to 20 years of research, technology development and in-space testing to go to Mars in a way that won't result in an Apollo-like outcome (i.e. go and stop).

Two of the options being put forth by the Augustine commission result in that preparation being done on the Moon; the other two move the destination to deep space targets, including L1, the asteroids and even a manned Mars-flyby by 2035. Even the "deep space" options offer the opportunity for NASA to branch off to the lunar surface, though more in the form of sortie missions than establishing a base.

The only question is budget: both the Administration and Congress have made recent remarks supporting an increased NASA budget.

If exploration is important to you, the answer is not to give up hope, or even criticize elected officials. There will be plenty of time for that after the votes are cast.

If you are a U.S. citizen, you should be writing and calling your representatives now. And if you are not from the U.S., you should still be contacting your nation's space programs and expressing support for working with the United States.

Philip
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posted 08-14-2009 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well landing a 20 ton manned vehicle on Mars or on the Moon are two completely different things. Anyway we can be lucky if we get the Moon in our lifetime as a US presidential panel made a grim assessmenton NASA's plans to return to the moon by the early 2020s because of budget cuts!!!

Robert Pearlman
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posted 08-14-2009 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, but that same committee is suggesting the President and Congress substantially increase NASA's budget. And the same panel said that with proper funding, humans could flyby Mars in 2035 (well within, I suspect, most of our lifespans) or be on the Moon by the early 2020s.

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posted 08-14-2009 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MCroft04   Click Here to Email MCroft04     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robert, I hope you're correct about "in our lifetime statement"!

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Absent fundamental changes in the way resources are appropriated by Congress and as the budgetary process is bound to political dynamics, a Mars program whose principle objective isn't attained until 25 years out has little chance of reaching maturity. A lunar program offers an opportunity for more rapid return on investment - crucial to selling and sustaining any subsequent long term Mars initiative.

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