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Astro Bill
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posted 12-04-2005 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro Bill   Click Here to Email Astro Bill     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you could have dinner with three space personalities (living or deceased, male or female, any nationality, any country, any galaxy), who would you choose to be with for an hour or two of chopped steak, french fries, wine and interesting conversation?

To begin the discussion, I would choose:
Wernher Von Braun
Neil Armstrong
Nicholas Copernicus
Eileen Collins
(I would be a gentleman and give her my seat while I eavesdrop and mooch french fries from Armstrong)

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posted 12-04-2005 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bill -

If I could alter the menu slightly, instead of wine I'd choose beer and visit with -

Charles "Pete" Conrad
Mike Coats
Pete Diamandis (Xprize)
Judy Resnik

and I be buying the beer. I chose four
'cause you did too.

Tim

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posted 12-04-2005 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd have to go with:

Lovell
Conrad
Shepard
Schirra

That would make for an entertaining dinner...

Astro Bill
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posted 12-04-2005 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro Bill   Click Here to Email Astro Bill     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So we are all going to be eavesdroppers and moochers of french fries? What do you think your choices would discuss first.

At my table I would hear Copernicus say, "See, I knew I was right. The Sun IS the center of the galaxy." "Now, how many moon maidens and Martians did you meet on the Moon Neil?"

[This message has been edited by Astro Bill (edited December 10, 2005).]

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posted 12-04-2005 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KC Stoever   Click Here to Email KC Stoever     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I lean toward the architects:

Hugh Dryden
Max Faget
Wernher Von Braun
Robert Rowe Gilruth

and, for fun and literary wit,

Tom Wolfe

On edit: Only three??

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posted 12-04-2005 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mdmyer   Click Here to Email mdmyer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jim Lovell
Gus Grissom
Frank Borman
Gene Cernan

Mike Myer
Humboldt KS

Astro Bill
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posted 12-04-2005 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro Bill   Click Here to Email Astro Bill     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike:

They are all US astronauts of the same generation. What would spark the interesting conversation? Wouldn't Galileo or Copernicus or Dr. Robert Goddard help to start a discussion?

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posted 12-04-2005 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sergei Korolyov
Wernher von Braun
Carl Sagan

(and if I could seat a fourth, Konstantin Tsiolkovsky)

KC Stoever
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posted 12-04-2005 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KC Stoever   Click Here to Email KC Stoever     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sergei Korolyov
Wernher von Braun
Carl Sagan

An excellent list.

Visionaries, each from a different country.

I still like one of the early NACA doers.

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posted 12-04-2005 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mdmyer   Click Here to Email mdmyer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"They are all US astronauts of the same generation. What would spark the interesting conversation? Wouldn't Galileo or Copernicus or Dr. Robert Goddard help to start a discussion?"

So you are saying that if Gus, Jim, Gene, and Frank were having supper there would not be an interesting conversation? Maybe you would not find it interesting but I would.

If you don't want my opinion don't ask for it.

Mike

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posted 12-04-2005 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KC Stoever   Click Here to Email KC Stoever     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DH invites

Galileo
Glenn
Von Braun
Kranz

DH = Darling (or D**n) Husband.

He mooches Galileo's pommes frites.

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posted 12-04-2005 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KC Stoever:
Galileo
Oooh... a very nice choice.

A friend posed with this same question offlist suggested Gagarin in addition to those named already.

Another person who crossed my mind after posting - JFK (mostly to clarify his position of politics versus passion).

Astro Bill
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posted 12-04-2005 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro Bill   Click Here to Email Astro Bill     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike:

You are right of course. Even all current astronauts would have a great deal to discuss.

But I was thinking of a once-in-a-lifetime dinner where you could invite anyone in history. There should be a living person at the table to bring everyone up to date, unless we are presuming that somehow they are up to date with developemnts in history. Didn't I see this in a recent episode of "Ghost Whisperers" on CBS?

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posted 12-05-2005 04:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Matt T   Click Here to Email Matt T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone from across the whole span of human history?

The first human to be born, live and die on a planet other than Earth.

The human who travels to the furthest point from Earth.

The first human to encounter intelligent extra-terrestrial life.

And Rusty Schweickart to ask them all the insightful questions that the occasion would deserve. But mainly because I'd like to hang out with him for a bit

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posted 12-05-2005 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott   Click Here to Email Scott     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Isaac Newton
Albert Einstein
Pete Conrad

DavidH
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posted 12-05-2005 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, my list is a real waste of the ability to include people throughout history, and I could probably come up with a better one on a different topic, but this is the four that first popped into my head:

Wernher von Braun
George Mueller
Richard Truly
Mike Griffin

It'd be interesting to have a roundtable on where spaceflight started, where it went, how it got there, where it should have gone, where we are, and where we go from here.

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posted 12-05-2005 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Astro Bill:
They are all US astronauts of the same generation. What would spark the interesting conversation? Wouldn't Galileo or Copernicus or Dr. Robert Goddard help to start a discussion?

I'm not so sure about Galileo or Copernicus mixed in with astronauts. Assuming the language barrier could be overcome and that everyone was brought up to speed on science of the past centuries, would there be much in common for them to share? It would probably work best mixing them with the scientist-astronauts, not the pilot-astronauts. Or perhaps Dave Scott can tell Galileo that he was right.

I'm not sure of Mike's reasons for his picks (although I think they were mighty fine picks, if you ask me), but bringing together 3-4 astronauts of the same era has the potential to unlock a lot of good shared stories and anecdotes that don't make it into the books. For me, that would be more interesting.

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posted 12-05-2005 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Danno     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My choices:

Wernher Von Braun
Leonardo DaVinci
Buzz Aldrin
Bart Sibrel

Great conversations ending with cocktails and everyone taking turns whooping on Bart.

Good times....

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posted 12-05-2005 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mdmyer   Click Here to Email mdmyer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I'm not sure of Mike's reasons for his picks (although I think they were mighty fine picks, if you ask me), but bringing together 3-4 astronauts of the same era has the potential to unlock a lot of good shared stories and anecdotes that don't make it into the books. For me, that would be more interesting."

I think I picked Grissom, Lovell, Borman, and Cernan because they are my favorite astronauts. I would love to spend an evening meal with them. I know Jim Lovell sometimes auctions a meal at the restaurant but those charity auctions go for so much more than I could afford. Who would not want to listen to Gus talk to Jim, Frank, and Gene. I wouldn't have to say a word, I would just set and listen.

As far as talking to a past astronomer or scientist I might select Elijah Burritt or James Nasmyth, not to be confused with James Naismith.

Mike Myer
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posted 12-06-2005 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mdmyer:
Who would not want to listen to Gus talk to Jim, Frank, and Gene. I wouldn't have to say a word, I would just set and listen.

Plus, how cool would it be to be able to listen in as they fill Gus in on what he missed?

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posted 12-06-2005 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceman1953   Click Here to Email spaceman1953     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is going to be one of, if not THE most interesting post/thread EVER on collectSPACE.
Congratulations !

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posted 12-06-2005 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This thread reminds me of photos like this:
http://mssa.library.yale.edu/madid/showthumb.php?id=mss&msrg=325&msrgext=0

where people find themselves seated between Lindbergh and Armstrong...

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posted 12-06-2005 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's assume everyone could speak English:

Konstantin Tsiolkovsky
Yuri Gagarin
Robert Goddard
Maxime Faget

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posted 12-06-2005 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aztecdoug   Click Here to Email Aztecdoug     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
JFK
Gus Grissom
Marilyn Monroe


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posted 12-06-2005 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro Bill   Click Here to Email Astro Bill     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, we have had many good suggestions for dinner guests. Set's assume that they can all understand one another, not specifically that they speak English and that they have somehow been brought up to date on all space activities since "their days on Earth" and that all living dinner guests are familiar with the other guests in general.

The question now is, what will they discuss?

What would Copernicus say to Wernher Von Barun or to JFK or to Neil Armstrong? What would Neil Armstrong say to Galileo? What would Marilyn Monroe say to JFK? Nevermind, we already know the last one.

Don't forget, you have to pay the bill for the dinner, so you might as well mooch as many french fries and steak as possible.

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posted 12-06-2005 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kirsten   Click Here to Email Kirsten     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by FFrench:
This thread reminds me of photos like this:
http://mssa.library.yale.edu/madid/showthumb.php?id=mss&msrg=325&msrgext=0

where people find themselves seated between Lindbergh and Armstrong...



Interesting link !

BTW: Do American ladies still have male first names (like "Ms Robert Hoover") ?

As for the topic of the thread:

Providing they had one common language they could communicate in, I would choose for

- John Young
- Wally Schirra
(both experienced on 3 different kinds of spacecraft)
- Sergey Krikalyov ("last Soviet citizen")
- the Pope who was on the Holy See while Copernicus was introducing his heliocentric view of the Universe. (I wonder if the three of them would have been able to persuade him that the Earth is spheric indeed ! )

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posted 12-06-2005 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cfreeze79   Click Here to Email cfreeze79     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm... The engineer in me would select:

Wernher Von Braun (father of it all)
Igor Sikorsky (a 'view askew...')
Burt Rutan (modern visionary)
John Young (the 'end-user' of numerous space systems)

The explorer and historian would select:
Roger Chaffee
CC Williams
Elliott See
Ed Givens

All four of these probably have interesting individual stories that have never been shared...

And, the 'partyer' in me summons these four:
Gus Grissom
Wally Schirra
Gordon Cooper
Pete Conrad (Suds in lieu of wine to be served for this foursome...)

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posted 12-06-2005 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro Bill   Click Here to Email Astro Bill     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am sure that Carl Sagan, Von Braun, Galileo and Copernicus could converse for hours on all sorts of theories of space travel. For all we know, thay may be doing that at this moment, but not in this world.

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posted 12-07-2005 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trajan   Click Here to Email trajan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have always thought that putting any two great military commanders together - let's say Caesar and Montgomery - from whatever age would reveal a great deal of compatability and agreement.

In the same vein, I would say that the visionaries, scientists and explorers of our interest would have the same affinity.

My dinner party would, hopefully, be fun as well as interesting, so I would go for:

Tycho Brahe (eccentric and brilliant - just don't accept any bets off him!)
Yuri Gagarin (the first; need I say more?)
Pete Conrad (walked on the Moon and a great guy)
John Young (walked on the Moon but, most importantly for me, commanded the first shuttle mission, the first mission I remember).

I believe that there would be mutual respect all round but Pete and Tycho would provide the laughs amidst the serious stuff

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posted 12-09-2005 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BMckay   Click Here to Email BMckay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would like to sit down and talk to Sunita Williams, Janet Kavandi, Dan Burbank, Dick Gordon, Cece Bibby and Larry Mcglynn. wait a minute have have already done that this year ( not all at the same time though).

How about Nixon, JFK, Johnson and Marilyn Monroe...

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posted 12-10-2005 07:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Duke Of URL   Click Here to Email Duke Of URL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BMckay:

How about Nixon, JFK, Johnson and Marilyn Monroe...

Why would anybody want to party with Nixon???

And how come nobody wants to have dinner with Enos and Ham?

As far as it goes, though, how about:
Galileo
Dave Scott
Pope Urban VIII

Or:
Kepler
Newton
Copernicus
Buzz Aldrin

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posted 12-10-2005 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro Bill   Click Here to Email Astro Bill     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those are all good choices Duke. How would their conversation go. We need a quote from Newton or one of the others. Eavesdrop more and don't forget to mooch the french fries.

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posted 12-10-2005 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mensax   Click Here to Email mensax     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd choose...

For inspiration...
Irwin, Borman, Duke, and White

For a good time...
The Apollo 12 crew, plus Wally and Guenter

For feeling humbled...
Armstrong, Scott, Young, and Cernan

And for those not in the space program...
Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Monroe, and Madison

Noah

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