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Topic: Virtual Space Dinner for Four
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Astro Bill Member Posts: 1329 From: New York, NY Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 12-04-2005 12:11 PM
If you could have dinner with three space personalities (living or deceased, male or female, any nationality, any country, any galaxy), who would you choose to be with for an hour or two of chopped steak, french fries, wine and interesting conversation?To begin the discussion, I would choose: Wernher Von Braun Neil Armstrong Nicholas Copernicus Eileen Collins (I would be a gentleman and give her my seat while I eavesdrop and mooch french fries from Armstrong) |
KSCartist Member Posts: 2896 From: Titusville, FL USA Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 12-04-2005 01:08 PM
Bill -If I could alter the menu slightly, instead of wine I'd choose beer and visit with - Charles "Pete" Conrad Mike Coats Pete Diamandis (Xprize) Judy Resnik and I be buying the beer. I chose four 'cause you did too. Tim |
mjanovec Member Posts: 3811 From: Midwest, USA Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 12-04-2005 01:39 PM
I'd have to go with:Lovell Conrad Shepard Schirra That would make for an entertaining dinner... |
Astro Bill Member Posts: 1329 From: New York, NY Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 12-04-2005 03:21 PM
So we are all going to be eavesdroppers and moochers of french fries? What do you think your choices would discuss first. At my table I would hear Copernicus say, "See, I knew I was right. The Sun IS the center of the galaxy." "Now, how many moon maidens and Martians did you meet on the Moon Neil?" [This message has been edited by Astro Bill (edited December 10, 2005).] |
KC Stoever Member Posts: 1012 From: Denver, CO USA Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 12-04-2005 03:53 PM
I lean toward the architects:Hugh Dryden Max Faget Wernher Von Braun Robert Rowe Gilruth and, for fun and literary wit, Tom Wolfe On edit: Only three??
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mdmyer Member Posts: 900 From: Humboldt KS USA Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-04-2005 05:22 PM
Jim Lovell Gus Grissom Frank Borman Gene CernanMike Myer Humboldt KS |
Astro Bill Member Posts: 1329 From: New York, NY Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 12-04-2005 06:07 PM
Mike:They are all US astronauts of the same generation. What would spark the interesting conversation? Wouldn't Galileo or Copernicus or Dr. Robert Goddard help to start a discussion? [This message has been edited by Astro Bill (edited December 04, 2005).] |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42981 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-04-2005 06:29 PM
Sergei Korolyov Wernher von Braun Carl Sagan(and if I could seat a fourth, Konstantin Tsiolkovsky) |
KC Stoever Member Posts: 1012 From: Denver, CO USA Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 12-04-2005 08:08 PM
Sergei Korolyov Wernher von Braun Carl SaganAn excellent list. Visionaries, each from a different country. I still like one of the early NACA doers. |
mdmyer Member Posts: 900 From: Humboldt KS USA Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-04-2005 08:36 PM
"They are all US astronauts of the same generation. What would spark the interesting conversation? Wouldn't Galileo or Copernicus or Dr. Robert Goddard help to start a discussion?"So you are saying that if Gus, Jim, Gene, and Frank were having supper there would not be an interesting conversation? Maybe you would not find it interesting but I would. If you don't want my opinion don't ask for it. Mike |
KC Stoever Member Posts: 1012 From: Denver, CO USA Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 12-04-2005 08:38 PM
DH invitesGalileo Glenn Von Braun Kranz DH = Darling (or D**n) Husband. He mooches Galileo's pommes frites. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42981 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 12-04-2005 08:55 PM
quote: Originally posted by KC Stoever: Galileo
Oooh... a very nice choice. A friend posed with this same question offlist suggested Gagarin in addition to those named already. Another person who crossed my mind after posting - JFK (mostly to clarify his position of politics versus passion). |
Astro Bill Member Posts: 1329 From: New York, NY Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 12-04-2005 09:18 PM
Mike:You are right of course. Even all current astronauts would have a great deal to discuss. But I was thinking of a once-in-a-lifetime dinner where you could invite anyone in history. There should be a living person at the table to bring everyone up to date, unless we are presuming that somehow they are up to date with developemnts in history. Didn't I see this in a recent episode of "Ghost Whisperers" on CBS? |
Matt T Member Posts: 1368 From: Chester, Cheshire, UK Registered: May 2001
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posted 12-05-2005 04:39 AM
Anyone from across the whole span of human history?The first human to be born, live and die on a planet other than Earth. The human who travels to the furthest point from Earth. The first human to encounter intelligent extra-terrestrial life. And Rusty Schweickart to ask them all the insightful questions that the occasion would deserve. But mainly because I'd like to hang out with him for a bit Cheers, Matt ------------------ www.spaceracemuseum.com |
Scott Member Posts: 3307 From: Houston, TX Registered: May 2001
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posted 12-05-2005 10:38 AM
Isaac Newton Albert Einstein Pete Conrad |
DavidH Member Posts: 1217 From: Huntsville, AL, USA Registered: Jun 2003
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posted 12-05-2005 11:05 AM
OK, my list is a real waste of the ability to include people throughout history, and I could probably come up with a better one on a different topic, but this is the four that first popped into my head:Wernher von Braun George Mueller Richard Truly Mike Griffin It'd be interesting to have a roundtable on where spaceflight started, where it went, how it got there, where it should have gone, where we are, and where we go from here. ------------------ http://allthese worlds.hatbag.net/space.php "America's challenge of today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow." - Commander Eugene Cernan, Apollo 17 Mission, 11 December 1972 |
mjanovec Member Posts: 3811 From: Midwest, USA Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 12-05-2005 11:21 AM
quote: Originally posted by Astro Bill: They are all US astronauts of the same generation. What would spark the interesting conversation? Wouldn't Galileo or Copernicus or Dr. Robert Goddard help to start a discussion?
I'm not so sure about Galileo or Copernicus mixed in with astronauts. Assuming the language barrier could be overcome and that everyone was brought up to speed on science of the past centuries, would there be much in common for them to share? It would probably work best mixing them with the scientist-astronauts, not the pilot-astronauts. Or perhaps Dave Scott can tell Galileo that he was right. I'm not sure of Mike's reasons for his picks (although I think they were mighty fine picks, if you ask me), but bringing together 3-4 astronauts of the same era has the potential to unlock a lot of good shared stories and anecdotes that don't make it into the books. For me, that would be more interesting. [This message has been edited by mjanovec (edited December 05, 2005).] |
Danno Member Posts: 572 From: Ridgecrest, CA - USA Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 12-05-2005 02:06 PM
My choices:Wernher Von Braun Leonardo DaVinci Buzz Aldrin Bart Sibrel Great conversations ending with cocktails and everyone taking turns whooping on Bart. Good times.... |
mdmyer Member Posts: 900 From: Humboldt KS USA Registered: Dec 2003
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posted 12-05-2005 04:48 PM
"I'm not sure of Mike's reasons for his picks (although I think they were mighty fine picks, if you ask me), but bringing together 3-4 astronauts of the same era has the potential to unlock a lot of good shared stories and anecdotes that don't make it into the books. For me, that would be more interesting."I think I picked Grissom, Lovell, Borman, and Cernan because they are my favorite astronauts. I would love to spend an evening meal with them. I know Jim Lovell sometimes auctions a meal at the restaurant but those charity auctions go for so much more than I could afford. Who would not want to listen to Gus talk to Jim, Frank, and Gene. I wouldn't have to say a word, I would just set and listen. As far as talking to a past astronomer or scientist I might select Elijah Burritt or James Nasmyth, not to be confused with James Naismith. Mike Myer Humboldt KS |
DavidH Member Posts: 1217 From: Huntsville, AL, USA Registered: Jun 2003
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posted 12-06-2005 10:57 AM
quote: Originally posted by mdmyer: Who would not want to listen to Gus talk to Jim, Frank, and Gene. I wouldn't have to say a word, I would just set and listen.
Plus, how cool would it be to be able to listen in as they fill Gus in on what he missed? ------------------ http://allthese worlds.hatbag.net/space.php "America's challenge of today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow." - Commander Eugene Cernan, Apollo 17 Mission, 11 December 1972 |
spaceman1953 Member Posts: 953 From: South Bend, IN Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 12-06-2005 05:01 PM
This is going to be one of, if not THE most interesting post/thread EVER on collectSPACE. Congratulations !Gene Bella |
FFrench Member Posts: 3161 From: San Diego Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 12-06-2005 05:20 PM
This thread reminds me of photos like this: http://mssa.library.yale.edu/madid/showthumb.php?id=mss&msrg=325&msrgext=0 where people find themselves seated between Lindbergh and Armstrong... |
ColinBurgess Member Posts: 2031 From: Sydney, Australia Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 12-06-2005 05:26 PM
Let's assume everyone could speak English:Konstantin Tsiolkovsky Yuri Gagarin Robert Goddard Maxime Faget |
Aztecdoug Member Posts: 1405 From: Huntington Beach Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 12-06-2005 05:35 PM
JFK Gus Grissom Marilyn Monroe
------------------ Kind Regards Douglas Henry Enjoy yourself and have fun.... it is only a hobby! http://home.earthlink.net/~aztecdoug/ |
Astro Bill Member Posts: 1329 From: New York, NY Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 12-06-2005 05:45 PM
OK, we have had many good suggestions for dinner guests. Set's assume that they can all understand one another, not specifically that they speak English and that they have somehow been brought up to date on all space activities since "their days on Earth" and that all living dinner guests are familiar with the other guests in general.The question now is, what will they discuss? What would Copernicus say to Wernher Von Barun or to JFK or to Neil Armstrong? What would Neil Armstrong say to Galileo? What would Marilyn Monroe say to JFK? Nevermind, we already know the last one. Don't forget, you have to pay the bill for the dinner, so you might as well mooch as many french fries and steak as possible. |
Kirsten Member Posts: 536 From: Delft, Netherlands Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 12-06-2005 06:48 PM
quote: Originally posted by FFrench: This thread reminds me of photos like this: http://mssa.library.yale.edu/madid/showthumb.php?id=mss&msrg=325&msrgext=0 where people find themselves seated between Lindbergh and Armstrong...
Interesting link !
BTW: Do American ladies still have male first names (like "Ms Robert Hoover") ? As for the topic of the thread: Providing they had one common language they could communicate in, I would choose for - John Young - Wally Schirra (both experienced on 3 different kinds of spacecraft) - Sergey Krikalyov ("last Soviet citizen") - the Pope who was on the Holy See while Copernicus was introducing his heliocentric view of the Universe. (I wonder if the three of them would have been able to persuade him that the Earth is spheric indeed ! ) Kirsten |
cfreeze79 Member Posts: 455 From: Herndon, VA, USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 12-06-2005 07:20 PM
Hmmm... The engineer in me would select:Wernher Von Braun (father of it all) Igor Sikorsky (a 'view askew...') Burt Rutan (modern visionary) John Young (the 'end-user' of numerous space systems) The explorer and historian would select: Roger Chaffee CC Williams Elliott See Ed Givens All four of these probably have interesting individual stories that have never been shared... And, the 'partyer' in me summons these four: Gus Grissom Wally Schirra Gordon Cooper Pete Conrad (Suds in lieu of wine to be served for this foursome...) |
Astro Bill Member Posts: 1329 From: New York, NY Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 12-06-2005 09:12 PM
I am sure that Carl Sagan, Von Braun, Galileo and Copernicus could converse for hours on all sorts of theories of space travel. For all we know, thay may be doing that at this moment, but not in this world. |
trajan Member Posts: 109 From: Chester, Cheshire, UK Registered: May 2004
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posted 12-07-2005 03:12 PM
I have always thought that putting any two great military commanders together - let's say Caesar and Montgomery - from whatever age would reveal a great deal of compatability and agreement.In the same vein, I would say that the visionaries, scientists and explorers of our interest would have the same affinity. My dinner party would, hopefully, be fun as well as interesting, so I would go for: Tycho Brahe (eccentric and brilliant - just don't accept any bets off him!) Yuri Gagarin (the first; need I say more?) Pete Conrad (walked on the Moon and a great guy) John Young (walked on the Moon but, most importantly for me, commanded the first shuttle mission, the first mission I remember). I believe that there would be mutual respect all round but Pete and Tycho would provide the laughs amidst the serious stuff |
BMckay Member Posts: 3218 From: MA, USA Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 12-09-2005 02:19 PM
I would like to sit down and talk to Sunita Williams, Janet Kavandi, Dan Burbank, Dick Gordon, Cece Bibby and Larry Mcglynn. wait a minute have have already done that this year ( not all at the same time though).How about Nixon, JFK, Johnson and Marilyn Monroe... |
Duke Of URL Member Posts: 1316 From: Syracuse, NY Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 12-10-2005 07:25 AM
quote: Originally posted by BMckay:
How about Nixon, JFK, Johnson and Marilyn Monroe...
Why would anybody want to party with Nixon??? And how come nobody wants to have dinner with Enos and Ham? As far as it goes, though, how about: Galileo Dave Scott Pope Urban VIII Or: Kepler Newton Copernicus Buzz Aldrin [This message has been edited by Duke Of URL (edited December 10, 2005).] |
Astro Bill Member Posts: 1329 From: New York, NY Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 12-10-2005 08:59 AM
Those are all good choices Duke. How would their conversation go. We need a quote from Newton or one of the others. Eavesdrop more and don't forget to mooch the french fries. |
mensax Member Posts: 861 From: Virginia Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 12-10-2005 09:24 AM
I'd choose...For inspiration... Irwin, Borman, Duke, and White For a good time... The Apollo 12 crew, plus Wally and Guenter For feeling humbled... Armstrong, Scott, Young, and Cernan And for those not in the space program... Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Monroe, and Madison Noah |