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Kirsten
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posted 04-01-2005 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kirsten   Click Here to Email Kirsten     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To all Catholic readers of this board:

Dutch radio just told me that Pope John Paul II seems to be in his final dying process.

In which he was in good company with my beloved Dutch (religiously neutral) grandmother - she passed away on recent March 16th.

All the best, and all my Lutherian-Protestant prayers are with you,

Kirsten

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Thanks Kirsten. I don't think any religion is for everyone (different stokes for different folks). I will say as an adult convert to the faith, it has been very good for me. From that background, I'm very appreciative for your thoughts and prayers.

I had the pleasure of being at mass with the Pope at San Antonio in 1987 and it is and was a "Gee Whiz" moment.

I look back with awe at how he connectd with the whole world, and the changes he and Lech Welesea bought about (I regard Lech as a modern day Joan of Arc).

God Bless all, and especially the Pope. May Gods face shine upon him

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posted 04-01-2005 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ejectr   Click Here to Email ejectr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I personally believe he was a big part of the end to the cold war.

teachspace
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posted 04-01-2005 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teachspace   Click Here to Email teachspace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Kirsten.

Joe

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He was one of the great champions of human freedom and dignity. He stood up to tyrants and tyrannies came crashing down.

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As a Jewish fan and supporter of Pope Paul the 2nd, I was lucky enough to have a private audience with him and 200 others in St. Peters. I was also invited to attended a Sunday mass and the installation of 3 saints at the Vatican in 1999 with the Pope presiding. I have been to the Vatican 4 times since 1985 and I was lucky enough to have met the Pope on 2 occasions.

He was an amazing person who broke many barriers, brought split factions together, carried the message of freedom to Poland and was responsible for reforms in a system that fights reform. His inspiration sparked a new era and crossed religious boundries in a way that we're not likey to see again.

The Cardinals will be hard pressed to find another man of God who has Paul the 2nd's vision, his passion and who will be able to guide and direct the church for another 26 years.

While Pope Paul did spark the revolt against the communists behind the iron curtain and Poland in particular, Ronald Reagan was responsible for the downfall of the USSR. The pope was in power since 1978 and while he was a great force against communists, as shown by their attempted murder of him, it was proven fact that all of the countries behind the iron curtain repressed all religions. The USSR doctrine of influence didn't bow to religion or religious uprisings that it routinely crushed with great cruelty in all communist countries. The USSR collapsed only when Reagan was able to force the issue and to suggest anything else is folly.

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posted 04-01-2005 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ejectr   Click Here to Email ejectr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So you're so right and everything else believed is wrong.

Well you believe it your way and I'll believe it mine.

And that's not folly...OK?

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Originally posted by Spacepsycho:
While Pope Paul did spark the revolt against the communists behind the iron curtain and Poland in particular, Ronald Reagan was responsible for the downfall of the USSR. The pope was in power since 1978 and while he was a great force against communists, as shown by their attempted murder of him, it was proven fact that all of the countries behind the iron curtain repressed all religions. The USSR doctrine of influence didn't bow to religion or religious uprisings that it routinely crushed with great cruelty in all communist countries. The USSR collapsed only when Reagan was able to force the issue and to suggest anything else is folly.
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John Paul II and Reagan were two of the great anti-communists and had different roles in bringing freedom to Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union (14 years later, I don't get tired of typing those three words), but let's not forget one of Reagan's favorite admonitions: "There is no limit to what you can do if you don't care who gets the credit."


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posted 04-01-2005 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for albatron@aol.com   Click Here to Email albatron@aol.com     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Especially as the beginning of the collapse of the Soviet union happened in the early 70's with the opening of free trade with China.

That being said, this Pope was a great one. His efforts when far beyond the political.

Al

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posted 04-02-2005 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wehaveliftoff   Click Here to Email Wehaveliftoff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I attended a mass of his during the 1987 US visits. News says half the world has known no other pope; has visited over 125 countries, enough flying distance to make 3 orbital flights. Being partially Polish and recall an '69 local parish visit by him as a Cardinal, I will sorrily miss him, yet happy he will be with the Lord. Amen.

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Pope John Paul II, the spiritual leader to more than 1 billion Catholics who spread his message worldwide in his 26-year papacy, has died, Vatican sources tell CNN.

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posted 04-02-2005 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ASCAN1984   Click Here to Email ASCAN1984     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He has just died. This is sad even though i am not catholic. He died 3.37 est

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posted 04-02-2005 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for randy   Click Here to Email randy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Our thoughts and prayers are with Catholics everywhere.

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I am not even religious, never mind Catholic, but I mourn the Pope. He represented all that was good, made huge contributions to 20th and early 21st Century society, and will be missed.

space1
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As a fellow Catholic member of collectSpace, I appreciate the thoughts and prayers of our friends here.

I had the privilege of seeing John Paul II three times in Rome and once in San Francisco. He had a gift for making you feel as though he was speaking directly to you. You could sense that he unconditionally loved each person in a crowd of thousands.

We mourn his passing, but rejoice in his eternal happiness. And we have hope and confidence in the providential care of our heavenly Father.

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Philip
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posted 04-04-2005 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Vatican Website is certainly worth a look: http://www.vatican.va/

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I know that religion is somewhat off-limits on this site, but as another non-Catholic, I'm still certain that John-Paul II now rests in justly-deserved Paradise. My sympathy to all the Catholics on and off this board. He was a fine man of strong and just convictions. He'll be greatly missed.

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Pope John Paul II was the only Pope I've ever known. I am Baptist, but I have always thought he was a good and sincere man. He was the first Pope to do so many things; things that may have been unpopular with some but he believed was right. I will always remember him as a great Pope and a great man.

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posted 04-19-2005 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wehaveliftoff   Click Here to Email Wehaveliftoff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Long Live Pope Benedict 16th, formerly Austrian Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.
The EWTN Network, that in the Vatican City, had a Priest who knew both John Paul 2 and Cardinal Ratzonger, and when the commentator said he was German the Preacher remarked that Ratzinger was actually Austrian.

Benedict Showed 2 Sides After Pope's Death


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spaceflori
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posted 04-19-2005 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceflori   Click Here to Email spaceflori     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He's German btw...many here get really upset if you mix up Austrians with Germans.

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Talking about the pope...I have a signed document, dated in 1949. I obtained it from my grandfather who had an audience with pope PIUS XII that year. The document is signed, but I don't know if it is the authograph of that pope. I don't find an image of his autograph on the net.
Does anyone can help me to identify the su-ignature ?

Dirk

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And when Pope Benedict XVI visits California....and the Governor approaches the plane and the pope appears at the top of the stairs.....the person with the Governor can say to him: "Look, there's Benedict, Arnold ! "
HA, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha.

Figure I better get this on here before Jay Leno says it on his show tonight !

Long live the new pope....although I wish he would have picked Pope Eugene or Pope Brian for his name !

Cheers !

Gene (Eugene) Bella
South Bend, IN

gliderpilotuk
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posted 04-20-2005 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Papal auction for the religiously-minded:

<LOL>

Paul

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Scott
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posted 04-20-2005 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott   Click Here to Email Scott     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dirk:
Does anyone can help me to identify the su-ignature ?


Dirk,
Here are 3 examples of his signature. The last is a document signed by him when he was known as Eugenio Cardinal Pacelli, before he became Pius XII.
Scott
http://www.heimatsammlung.de/motiv_unter/personen/personen_34.jpg
http://www.heimatsammlung.de/motiv_unter/personen/personen_32.jpg
http://www.ami-autographs.com/images/popepius.jpg

Dirk
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posted 04-20-2005 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirk   Click Here to Email Dirk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott
As soon as I can I will send a scan.
(I have to dismantle the item)
But as far as I see the item is not signed with Pius...
It start with Joseph Mignone and then comes a signature

anyway tnx for the information

Dirk

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posted 04-20-2005 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dirk   Click Here to Email Dirk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott

I you 100% sure that this is his signature ?...
The photos looks very "holywood" and the signature very simplistic.
Just asking

Dirk

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Originally posted by Dirk:
Scott

I you 100% sure that this is his signature ?...
The photos looks very "holywood" and the signature very simplistic.
Just asking

Dirk


Hi Dirk,
I'm sure they are pre-prints (except for the TLS), but that's the best I could find when it came to images of his papal signature. I do believe these pre-prints are accurate representations of what his hand-signed signature looks like. Note the similarity in style of the "P" in "Pius" with the "P" in the "Pacelli" of his Cardinal signature.
Best,
Scott

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