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Topic: Apollo: Launch Control vs. Mission Control
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Mike_The_First Member Posts: 436 From: USA Registered: Jun 2014
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posted 02-24-2017 08:59 PM
The Wikipedia page for Launch Control says that Apollo pre-launch "go/no go" was led by the Flight Director among the flight controllers.I thought that pre-launch was handled mainly by the team at Kennedy Space Center, with Houston taking over after the rocket cleared the tower. The Wikipedia page would indicate that I'm mistaken in that belief. So, I guess my questions are: - Am I wrong or is Wiki wrong?
- If I'm wrong, then what exactly did the Launch Director and the team at Kennedy do?
If Wiki's wrong, would someone please edit it? |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 43576 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 02-24-2017 10:38 PM
To quote Gene Kranz from his book, "Failure is Not an Option": Throughout the pre-mission period, the flight director oversaw the the mission control, network, and team readiness, and provided the flight operations Go NoGo at the reviews preceding the start of the launch countdown. The flight director in Houston would poll the room and report a "Go" or "NoGo" to the launch team. The Spacecraft Test Conductor conducted a similar poll in Florida, as was described by PAO in the lead up to the launch of Apollo 11: Now 5 minutes, 52 seconds and counting. We're on time at the present time for our planned lift-off of 32 minutes past the hour. Spacecraft Test Conductor, Skip Chauvin, now has completed the status check of his personnel in the control room. All report they are Go for the mission, and this has been reported to the Test Supervisor, Bill Schick. The test supervisor now going through some status checks. Launch Operations Manager Paul Donnelly reports Go for launch. Launch Director Rocco Petrone now gives a Go. We're 5 minutes, 20 seconds and counting. As Kranz writes, the flight director retained the ability to call off a launch: I established my personal cutoff for killing auto sequence at launch minus thirty seconds. My risk judgement told me that the MCC must suffer a crippling failure before I would call the launch team with a NoGo at this point, terminating the automatic launch sequence. |
Ken Havekotte Member Posts: 2983 From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 02-24-2017 11:26 PM
Overall, a launch director at KSC's Launch Control Center for an Apollo or shuttle liftoff does indeed have the final decision to "launch" or give a "no go" decision. Flight controllers at Houston are monitoring pre-launch and initial launch operations, but once a vehicle is in motion with all engines running, flight control of that vehicle is handed off to the Mission Control Center team in Houston. I think what Kranz is referring to in his book is true, however, it would certainly have to be an extreme consideration that would allow his flight control team to halt a countdown of a liftoff-launch call. If the flight control team had a major equipment malfunction(s) of some kind and the team could not properly perform their mission functions, the launch could be halted and delayed until everything was up and running properly. Take for instance if right before a launch was to occur, the MCC in Houston had lost all of its electric power (for some reason) and with no backup emergency sources available. That would certainly be a good explanation to halt a liftoff with an urgent call to the center director or launch director at Kennedy. Along the same kind of lines, though, I am sure that a NASA Administrator and perhaps a few major top "A" level agency officials might have the same decision-making authority or power to stop a launch, but it would have to be for a very, very good reason, of course! |
Mike_The_First Member Posts: 436 From: USA Registered: Jun 2014
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posted 02-25-2017 08:33 AM
To me, that would indicate inaccuracy in the Wikipedia article.Houston would, obviously, play a role, since, like Ken mentioned, a launch would be bad if they were having problems. But to say that they led it still rings false with me, as does the list of participating flight controllers (which supposedly makes up the Apollo 13 list, in order), since it leaves off Launch Control. That it only mentions the Launch Director in the context of the shuttle (and goes out of the way to contradict it in the Apollo section by saying "In the Apollo program, the launch status check was initiated by the Flight Director, or FLIGHT") is a pretty big red flag with regard to accuracy. To be clear, I don't doubt that there was a poll done in Houston pre-launch, as it wouldn't make sense for there not to be, but I see it as more of another cog in a larger machine (based in Florida), rather than the end all be all that the Wikipedia article is portraying it as. Their citation seems to be the Apollo 13 movie, which could explain the inaccuracy, since that movie put basically everything in the hands of Gene Kranz. |
Jim Behling Member Posts: 1488 From: Cape Canaveral, FL Registered: Mar 2010
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posted 02-25-2017 10:33 AM
The Flight Director is just one of many people polled by the Launch Director. There is the spacecraft team, booster, range, safety, DOD, flight crew, engineering, ground support, etc. The flight director's go is for his team and facility (MCC). It isn't for the status of the spacecraft and booster.The Apollo launch team would somewhat mirror the shuttle launch team in the wiki article. Here are good links about the launch team: These are mostly associated with the Saturn V. It ignores the large spacecraft launch team in the MSOB. |
Ken Havekotte Member Posts: 2983 From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 02-25-2017 10:48 AM
Jim is correct and said it better than I can.Kranz would have authority to halt a countdown to launch if anything had to do with his team's MCC's mission support responsibilities and operations, even at the last 30 seconds or so. But then so would many other people of the teams they represent at Kennedy's launch control. If there had been a launch vehicle concern, spacecraft problem, a range or safety issue, weather not acceptable for launch, and so on... it would be the launch director's decision (not Kranz) to fly or not. | |
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