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carmelo
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posted 11-07-2015 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for carmelo   Click Here to Email carmelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Imagine that Apollo 18 mission had been authorized as last mission on the moon.
Apollo 17 (Cernan, Evans, Engle) launch is always programmed in December 1972. When would be the launch of Apollo 18 (Gordon, Brand, Schmitt)? Maybe April 1973?

In this case Skylab would have been launched in September/October 1973?

Or instead is possible that the two last Apollo missions would be inserted between Skylab missions, or that 18 would depart after the end of Skylab missions in 1974?

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posted 11-07-2015 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Headshot   Click Here to Email Headshot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The J missions (15, 16, 17) were about 8-9 months apart, so, keeping this spacing, 18 would most likely have been launched around August or Sept 1973.

This window would also depend upon where 18 would have landed. Not all Apollo landing site candidates are reachable all the time. For example, the Littrow area could be explored by a mission launched only during the winter months; Marius Hills would have been a viable candidate for a mission launched only during the summer.

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posted 11-07-2015 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From memory, there was at one time a plan to "split" Project Apollo, with the last two missions taking place AFTER Skylab.

One advantage of this would have been to give the scientists longer to analyse the results from the earlier Apollo missions, thus making it easier to plan the surface experiments on the final missions.

One disadvantage: the "gap" would have taken the focus off Apollo and might have made it easier for the critics to gather their strength and force the cancellation of the last two Apollos. Of course, Apollo 18 didn't happen anyway, but NOT delaying Apollo 17 until after Skylab may have saved Apollo 17 from cancellation.

Also, leaving one (or two) Apollo mission until after Skylab would have cost more: think of all those people kept on the payroll with little to do for maybe two years.

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posted 11-07-2015 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carmelo   Click Here to Email carmelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, if we assume the Apollo 18 launch in August 1973, when the first Skylab flight would have been launched? December 1973?

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posted 11-07-2015 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NASA was considering two alternative schedules in mid-1970. Here is what the August 11, 1970 KSC news release said:
Apollo Alternate Flight Plans

The National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Office of Manned Space Flight is developing two alternative plans for the future of the Apollo lunar exploration program and has asked two scientific advisory boards for their views on these alternatives.

NASA Administrator Thomas 0. Paine has asked NASA's Lunar and Planetary Missions Board and the Space Science Board of the National Academy of Sciences to consider the alternatives. Representatives of the boards will present their views at a meeting with NASA management during the week of Aug. 24. The NASA management group will make a decision on the future course of Apollo following that meeting.

Alternative number 1 is to fly the remaining six Apollo missions as presently planned. Alternative number two would delete two of these missions.

The Apollo schedule now calls for Apollo 14 to be launched Jan. 31, 1971, with Apollo 15, 16 and 17 following at approximate six-month intervals. The Skylab workshop and three astronaut revisits would be flown late in 1972 and 1973 and then Apollo 18 and 19 would be launched in 1974.

The second and more economical alternative would delete two Apollo flights. The four remaining Apollo missions would be scheduled at approximate six month intervals before Skylab. Apollo 14 will explore the Fra Mauro region of the Moon. The new Apollo 15 along with 16 and 17 would use the extended capability lunar modules to permit longer stay times on the Moon and carry lunar roving vehicles to explore the three landing sites of highest scientific interest.

Deletion of the two Apollo missions would make available two Saturn V launch vehicles and spacecraft available for possible future uses such as space station missions.

carmelo
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posted 11-08-2015 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carmelo   Click Here to Email carmelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In our hypothetic case Apollo 18 is confirmed as last mission on the moon, but Apollo 19 is deleted. So probably is more logical fly Apollo 18 in August 1973 before the start of Skylab program.

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posted 11-08-2015 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Headshot   Click Here to Email Headshot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Assuming that material brought back by Apollo 17 satisfied scientists' "lust" for lunar volcanic material, the need to explore the Marius Hills or Alphonsus would be eliminated.

If that were the case the likely landing site candidates for 18 would have been near the central peak of Gassendi or Copernicus craters as lunar scientists still wanted rebound material from deep within the lunar interior.

Gassendi or Copernicus would have been viable sites for a late summer 1973 launch.

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