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Mike Dixon
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posted 01-07-2015 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dixon   Click Here to Email Mike Dixon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tried to find this information online and no success. Does anyone know the maximum descent speed the Apollo lunar module reached prior to landing?

I believe I've read somewhere it was of paramount concern that it drop quickly toward the surface to conserve fuel but not sure if that's correct or not.

Lou Chinal
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posted 01-07-2015 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lou Chinal   Click Here to Email Lou Chinal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a very good question. I have heard Neil and Buzz say the DPS was burning right down to contact.

Several of the LM people have said the LM could withstand a drop of 6-10 feet (I don't know if that earth's gravity or moon gravity).

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posted 01-07-2015 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sev8n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Isn't a 6 foot drop on earth roughly the equivalent of a 10 foot drop on the moon?

Mike Dixon
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posted 01-07-2015 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dixon   Click Here to Email Mike Dixon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I'd also like to know from what height did LM descent commence and the time between that event and the landing so we can at least determine an average speed.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 01-07-2015 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
According to a 1970 NASA technical memorandum (Apollo Lunar Descent and Ascent Trajectories), pre-mission planning for Apollo 11 called for powered descent initiation at 48,814 feet, 12 minutes before probe contact (touchdown).

Mike Dixon
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posted 01-07-2015 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dixon   Click Here to Email Mike Dixon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Rob.

So around 46 mph average. Now to the first question regarding highest speed and I'm guessing it wouldn't be all that different.

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posted 01-08-2015 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Headshot   Click Here to Email Headshot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I recall reading somewhere that Armstrong had calculated the LM could survive a drop of 40 feet to the lunar surface without damage. Grumman engineers confirmed his figures, but added that such an occurrence would not be pleasant for the crew, even though they would be uninjured as well.

Jim Behling
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posted 01-08-2015 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Behling   Click Here to Email Jim Behling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Dixon:
Now to the first question regarding highest speed and I'm guessing it wouldn't be all that different.
Not true, at the start of PDI, it is at orbital speed. Look at page 8 of the document that Robert posted.

Glint
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posted 01-08-2015 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glint   Click Here to Email Glint     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Dixon:
So around 46 mph average.
If your interest only lies in the vertical speed, then yes.

Mike Dixon
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posted 01-08-2015 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dixon   Click Here to Email Mike Dixon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks to all who contributed

Lou Chinal
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posted 01-09-2015 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lou Chinal   Click Here to Email Lou Chinal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can suggest referencing this old post. One of the engineers figured it out (I think his name was Bob Tisdale.

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