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posted 04-30-2015 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Compare the gag photo with the photo of John Young in my first post. Same side view. The astronaut in the gag photo looks taller.

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posted 05-29-2015 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ken Havekotte:
The gag photo referred to here was shown to Lovell several years ago, however, he told me it wasn't him!

I think it is Gene Cernan, backup CDR for Apollo 14.

On the American flag in the gag photo, there is a white line that looks like a small tear in the bottom red stripe. That same white line can be seen in this Apollo 14 KSC-70P-344 training photo of Gene Cernan in 1970.

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posted 06-03-2015 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The small tear in his shoulder flag can also be seen in these KSC-70P-524 and KSC-71PC-33 photos of Cernan.

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posted 06-03-2015 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't see the tear too well in the other photos, but very good detective work! Looks like a good chance it could be Cernan and maybe someone should ask him about the gag photo. Nice work!

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posted 06-03-2015 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you see the tear in any of the KSC photos, Ken?

There was a high-res image of the gag photo on the Heritage website during the May auction. It clearly showed the same mark in the same location.

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posted 06-04-2015 03:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I can see the tear quite clearly in the KSC 70P-344 photo, but I believe each crewman does have a prime and backup suit for various training purposes.

When seeing the gag photo, though, my first impression was that the pressure suit had been of an earlier version.

But since Cernan was the backup CDR for Apollo 14, it would still be of that same time period originally thought of 1970 and perhaps even going into the first month of 1971.

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posted 06-04-2015 07:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For Apollo 14, Gene Cernan has one suit listed in the ALSJ: primary suit #087. There is no training suit listed for him.

Joe Engle has a primary suit and a training suit listed. His training suit #015 is the flight suit worn by Rusty Schweickart during the EVA on Apollo 9.

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posted 06-04-2015 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very good, LM-12, nice work!

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posted 06-13-2015 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The map seen in the gag photo contains a drawing of what looks like the traverse near Cone Crater. So the training session may have been an EVA-2 walkthru.

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posted 09-13-2015 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the caption for Apollo 17 photo 72-H-1411 from the Apollo Image Gallery:
Apollo 17 Lunar Module Pilot Harrison Schmitt deploys an explosive charge during the EVA-1 traverse in a training session November 2, 1972.
That sure looks like backup commander John Young driving the LRV.

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posted 09-13-2015 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The description for 72-H-1411 in the Apollo 17 Lunar Surface Journal mentions that it appears to be Young in the photo, and therefore the LMP might be Duke.

I think the photo shows Young and Schmitt in the LRV. The name tag on the LMP looks more like "Schmitt" than "Duke" to me.

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posted 09-17-2015 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The caption for NASA photo S72-54547 indicates that Cernan and Schmitt were on a geology field trip (the last one for Apollo 17) at Sunset Crater National Monument near Flagstaff, Arizona on 2-3 November 1972.

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posted 09-18-2015 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe photo 1411 was taken on November 9. The training summary has both the prime and backup astronauts in EVA-1 training sessions on that day.

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posted 09-19-2015 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apollo 15 lunar surface training photos 71-H-1102 and 71-H-1103 are described as showing backup crewmembers Dick Gordon and Jack Schmitt at KSC.

I believe that may be prime LMP Jim Irwin and backup CDR Dick Gordon training together. The "J. Irwin" name tag can be seen in high-res versions of the photos.

Colour photo KSC-71PC-500 is tagged with the same date (July 20, 1971), and shows Dick Gordon wearing the yellow stripes. Gordon with Irwin, I would say.


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