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Rusty B
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posted 04-08-2012 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rusty B   Click Here to Email Rusty B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's an interesting patent (patent 3576298) applied for in 1967 and issued to the North American Rockwell Corp in 1971. It's a concept to make a space shuttle/X-15 like craft out of the Apollo command and service module.

The illustrations show landing skids on the rear of the service module and a nose wheel at the front, like the X-15 rocket plane. It has swing wings that retract into the sides of the service module.

Weird bird, but would if fly?

An aerospace vehicle is described comprising a substantially conical forward crew compartment or command module mated to a substantially cylindrical rearward service module. Aerodynamic fairings are provided along the midline on the sides of the cylindrical portion and a substantial distance aft thereof for providing lift at hypersonic velocities and approximately vertical fins are provided on the fairings for aerodynamic stability and control.

Wings are mounted within the aerodynamic fairings at high velocities and pivotably extended therefrom at lower velocities and altitudes to provide low speed lift. Upon reentry into the Earth's atmosphere hypersonic lift is provided by the body and the fairings for bringing the vehicle to the area of a selected landing site and, at lower flight speeds deeper into the atmosphere, augmented lift is provided by the extended wings for landing the vehicle on a conventional runway.

A rocket engine for propulsion has a large expansion ratio bell for use in the vacuum of space. The large ratio bell is jettisonable to give a low expansion ratio for use of the same engine within the atmosphere.

Rear landing skids are pivotable into and out of the wake of the vehicle to reduce the requirement for heat shielding. Similarly, reaction control rocket motors are also pivotable into and out of the wake of the vehicle for minimizing heat protection requirements.

Such a vehicle is readily adaptable to a broad variety of space missions such as cargo ferry or satellite recovery, and is reuseable with minimum refurbishment.

randy
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posted 04-08-2012 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for randy   Click Here to Email randy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting concept. It probably could fly. Remember what people thought about the shuttle, when the first drawings came out? Look what happened with that.

mode1charlie
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posted 04-10-2012 04:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mode1charlie   Click Here to Email mode1charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, interesting. This is completely new to me. Someone should send this to David Portree from the Beyond Apollo blog.

mode1charlie
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posted 04-10-2012 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mode1charlie   Click Here to Email mode1charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just sent him a tweet with link.

mode1charlie
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posted 04-11-2012 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mode1charlie   Click Here to Email mode1charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And he replied: "Hey, thanx! I'd heard of it, never seen it. Way, way cool."

Fra Mauro
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posted 04-11-2012 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fra Mauro   Click Here to Email Fra Mauro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like an attempt to keep the contract going after Apollo ended.

Rusty B
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posted 04-11-2012 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rusty B   Click Here to Email Rusty B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are more patent drawings associated with the same winged Apollo CSM vehicle.

gliderpilotuk
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posted 04-11-2012 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A sort of stubby SpaceShipOne, with about 10x the wing loading and the glide ratio of a lead ingot!

Blackarrow
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posted 04-11-2012 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just the thing for the glider-pilot who wants to try something a bit different....

Jay Chladek
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posted 04-11-2012 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gliderpilotuk:
A sort of stubby SpaceShipOne, with about 10x the wing loading and the glide ratio of a lead ingot!

I think a lead ingot might glide better.

To me, gliding wouldn't be so much of the problem. Landing on the otherhand... mount ejection seats.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 05-11-2019 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A contractor model of this concept (as seen on eBay [163684320132]):

Robert Pearlman
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posted 05-11-2019 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

SkyMan1958
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posted 05-11-2019 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SkyMan1958   Click Here to Email SkyMan1958     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool, Robert!

mode1charlie
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posted 05-11-2019 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mode1charlie   Click Here to Email mode1charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Really interesting. What did the seller's description say about where this item came from? Thanks.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 05-11-2019 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The lot description said:
This model came from the estate of a long time NASA employee (over 30 years) who worked on projects Gemini, Mercury Apollo, Skylab and the space shuttle.

Jonnyed
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posted 05-11-2019 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jonnyed   Click Here to Email Jonnyed     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like (from the first set of drawings) that the maximum number of astronauts would be limited to 3, just as with the Apollo missions.

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