posted 03-19-2008 02:54 PM            

It's interesting that there appear to be no colour images of Surveyor from the Apollo 12 mission.

posted 03-19-2008 04:09 PM               

138:34:19 Conrad: "Well, I've got some bad news for you and some good news. In the first place, the third magazine was a color magazine, and all it had on it were some shots that were taken of Earthrise and a few things like that coming around on descent. And, unfortunately, Al and I got our signals crossed, and it's outside on the lunar surface right now".

posted 03-20-2008 07:49 PM               

I didn't know that Apollo 12 also lost a film magazine.

posted 03-20-2008 09:50 PM               

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135:23:18 Mitchell: That's affirm, Fredo.

[Shepard, from the 1971 Technical Debrief - "We did get everything up there (to the cabin), with the exception of one camera magazine."]

[Mitchell, from the 1971 Technical Debrief - "Outside of my own stupidity - missing that one magazine. This was complicated by the fact that, in real time (at 119:50:37, we decided to take the extra magazine we hadn't used on EVA-1 out on EVA-2, so that we had an extra magazine on the surface. In checking things off on the checklist before ingress on the second EVA, I very brightly marked off three magazines. We had three (in the ETB) indeed. There was a fourth magazine sitting there on the (16-mm) camera that we just overlooked."]

[See, also, the discussion following 132:59:35. The forgotten magazine was HH (Hotel-Hotel), which they loaded in the 16-mm camera before leaving the LM but didn't turn on until 133:47:47 as they were making their way toward Station F on the trip back to the LM.]

[The same thing happened on Apollo 12 with a Hasselblad magazine, and for much the same reason. Fortunately, there was no critical data on either magazine. See the Apollo 12 discussion at 138:33:55.]

[Jones - "You were mistaken?"]

[Mitchell - (Tongue-in-cheek) "And we lied."]

[Jones - "About four mags."]

[Mitchell - "Apparently. Somehow, there were only three 16 mms. There was one still sitting on the camera. But it's true, the (MET stowage) bag was clear, and there's nothing left in the bags. We just didn't look at the camera."]

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posted 03-20-2008 09:52 PM               

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138:33:55 Gibson: Okay. Thank you. (Pause) Okay, and a question on the third film pack which we used. How much of that was used on the inside, and where in the traverse did you pick it up and change it to one of the existing cameras?

[Bean - "This was a trick question. They suspected we'd left it outside."]

[I have been unable to find any mention of the extra magazine anywhere in the transcript prior to the middle of EVA-2 when, at 133:36:15, they made a casual reference to it at the time they were starting to have trouble with the cameras prior to going into Surveyor crater. At 134:02:24 we learned that the extra magazine was in Al's saddlebag; and it is possible that it was put aside at about 134:50:16 when they were having so much trouble with the TV cable. Unfortunately, neither Pete nor Al unambiguously mentioned the extra magazine when they were putting Al's saddlebag on at about 131:57:05.]

[Conrad - "We talked about another magazine over by the Surveyor. We talk about a third magazine."]

[Bean - "We did. Well, how did we know we picked the two black & whites to take in?"]

[Jones - "Because you loaded those on the cameras in the spacecraft..."]

[Conrad - "We swapped 'em between cameras, then we took the magazine off of the broken camera..."]

[Bean - "Oh, you think we didn't just take one of the magazines off and throw it in the bag; we put it on the broken camera. Well, the camera wasn't broken..."]

[Conrad - "We made several comments. The first one was, we talked about a third magazine when we were out there near the Surveyor, in the middle of the discussion about camera brackets and everything. We came across a magazine (in Al's saddlebag). Then, we wound up swapping the two black & white magazines between our cameras."]

[Bean - "So we never threw a..."]

[Conrad - "Then, at some point in time, we decided that one of the cameras was no good anymore, but it was about the time the film was used up."]

[Bean - "Yes."]

[Conrad - "And, so, I either discarded that camera...Which I think we did, somewhere out there. We threw it away. Then we put the black and white in the rock bag..."]

[Bean - "Yeah, loose."]

[Conrad - "I remembered this (prior to starting the 1991 mission review). I knew we knew that we left the color magazine out there."]

[Bean - "Yeah, but I'm saying we couldn't have known that if they were both in the same bag."]

[Conrad - "Well, there's some discussion at the bottom of the ladder about film magazines. And there's some discussion about one of them being in a saddlebag. And then, we set that down on the footpad. And we must have set it down on the footpad in the saddlebag. And we must have left it there."]

[Bean - "You know what we might have done? We might have had that spare film in the saddlebag all along."]

[Conrad - "That's right."]

[Bean - "Because we probably didn't want to get it dirty with all those rocks in the other thing."]

[Jones - "It probably came out in the ETB at the start of the second EVA."]

[Bean - "We put it in one of our saddlebags. And that's where it ended up. 'Cause, otherwise, we never would have known if we'd picked the right one."]

[Conrad - (Laughing) "The one thing I've always remembered is that we left a color mag on the Moon."]

[Bean - "And I'm trying to figure out how you could possibly know it. But, maybe by then we were inside and had looked at them. You can tell what magazines they are."]

138:34:19 Conrad: Well, I've got some bad news for you and some good news. In the first place, the third magazine was a color magazine, and all it had on it were some shots that were taken of Earthrise and a few things like that coming around on descent. And, unfortunately, Al and I got our signals crossed, and it's outside on the lunar surface right now. Now, what we did was take the black-and-white magazine off of Al's camera when it failed and put it on my camera and used it up so that we have two complete black and whites of the second EVA and two complete colors of the first EVA, and the only thing that's missing is the color magazine that had undocking and a couple other mundane things like that on it at the beginning of the LM operation. And, unfortunately, that's out there in that saddle bag. We didn't catch that one.

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