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Robert Pearlman
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posted October 04, 2006 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KC Stoever:
BTW, was I hallucinating last night, listening to Keith Olbermann's Countdown (tv was in the other room)? Didn't he have the "small step for a man" story at number one on his story countdown? I can't find mention of it in the provisional transcript of the show.
It appears it was #2 on his list of top three newsmakers of the day:
But first, time now for COUNTDOWN's top three newsmakers of this day...

Number two, Neil Armstrong. Long have we been told that the first man on the moon said, "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind"? But he was supposed to say, "That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind." Now an Australian audio analyst has cleaned up the tape of what Armstrong actually said, says Armstrong got it right, said., "That's one small step for a man." But the word was lost in the garbled transmission from the moon.

Dwight
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posted October 04, 2006 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dwight   Click Here to Email Dwight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry, but I dont think Ford has uncovered what he claims. I ran the exact same waveform through Steinberg's Wavelab. I also sampled the noiseprint of radio intereference and reduced the background noise by around 40dB using Waves digital noise reduction and find absolutely no evidence of an "a". There is also no radio interference when the "a" is supposed to be said. It also stretches my imagination to agree that Armstrong lazily said "fera man". I don't see why it is so difficult to think he was excited and just plumb flubbed his sentence. That's my two cents anyway.

Robert Pearlman
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posted October 04, 2006 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The following links are just a sample of the on-going discussion at Language Log, a professional blog devoted to linguistics. These entries were written by David Beaver, a faculty member in the Linguistics Department at Stanford University:

KC Stoever
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posted October 04, 2006 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KC Stoever   Click Here to Email KC Stoever     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much for linking those, um, links. Fascinating reading and graphics.

And the story was number 2 on Keith Olbermann tonight. A very nice story, with footage from 1969 (lunar surface) and 2006 (Australia) and KO narrative explaining it all. Kudos all around.

Obviousman
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posted October 05, 2006 02:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Obviousman   Click Here to Email Obviousman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rick:
I, for one, still don't believe Armstrong actually said "one small step for A man." The cadence of his sentence, to me, does not include any break for a missing word.
I agree totally - I still think he missed the "a".

I believe it takes nothing away from the significance of the achievement, nor from the intent of the statement.

Dwight
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posted October 05, 2006 06:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dwight   Click Here to Email Dwight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you watch the 16mm DAC at the moment he says his famous line Neil looks up at Buzz in the window. Whether that is also a recognition of the mistake or nervousness is open to debate.

GarthDWiebe
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posted October 07, 2006 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GarthDWiebe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By way of introduction, I am an electrical engineer, a computer hardware designer by profession for 28 years. I have been involved in professional audio, including both live sound and studio recording non-professionally on the side for the last 20 years and, lately, digital audio product development as a business.

Upon hearing in the news about the Peter Shann Ford analysis, I did my own evaluation of the NASA "One small step for (a) man" sound file, and determined that Mr. Ford's analysis does not support his conclusion.

Mr. Ford used $45 GoldWave software and only looked visually at the section in question, after applying noise filtering.

I utilized $400 Adobe Audition 2.0 audio production software (developed by Syntrillium Software, which company Adobe bought), and $700 Celemony Melodyne Studio 3.0 software to do my investigation, so I had somewhat better tools at my disposal.

In the questioned part of the audio file where the "a" is sought, there is a bit of noise, specifically three short noise spikes, and that may be misleading Mr. Ford. Mr. Ford does use noise filtering, but such filtering does not completely eliminate the noise spikes, due to their prominence. You can still see them.

I am providing some much clearer screen shots and audio samples which should demonstrate to the careful listener that no "a" is evident in the recording.

Here is the original recording as obtained from the NASA website.

Here is a version of that same recording after applying Adobe Audition noise filtering algorithms.

Here is the recording, with no noise filtering, slowed down to half the original speed, using Melodyne.

Here is the noise filtered version slowed down to half the original speed, using Melodyne.

Here is a version which uses Adobe Audition to slow down the "for man" phrase to one tenth of its original speed.

Note that in the 1/10th speed version above, Mr. Ford's "0.035 second" section would be magnified by a factor of ten, making it about a third of a second long (0.35 seconds). This would satisfy Mr. Ford's anecdotal comment that the original was "10 times too fast for the 'a' to be audible." I think that the attentive listener will discern that the "m" is already closed during that time.

Supporting screen shots are consolidated into one PDF file.

The first picture shows the spectrogram of the original NASA recording, including background hum and noise. The three noise spikes mentioned previously can be seen.

The second picture shows the filtered version, with the three noise spikes still visible.

The third picture shows the audio wave file with the "for man" segment stretched to 10 times its length.

The fourth picture shows the filtered version as Melodyne depicts it on a "piano roll." The vertical axis represents notes on the piano ("C3" is the "C" one octave below middle "C") the blue "blobs" are the wave file, and the thin blue line represents the musical pitch of his voice. Note that in the segment in question, where the noise is, the pitch cannot be followed by the pitch detection algorithm of Melodyne.

I would welcome any comments or questions concerning my conclusions.

GarthDWiebe
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posted October 07, 2006 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GarthDWiebe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was pointed out to me by David Beaver that I should also have an unfiltered, 10x slower rendition, which I have uploaded for completeness.

KC Stoever
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posted October 07, 2006 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KC Stoever   Click Here to Email KC Stoever     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for that.

For those of us who might not click through, could you--would you please--provide a synopsis or summary?

GarthDWiebe
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posted October 12, 2006 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GarthDWiebe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At this link is my synopsis/summary, with annotated screen shots and pointers to audio files.

For convenience, I have extracted the first page text:

An analysis and rebuttal to Peter Shann Ford's conclusion about what Neil Armstrong said
Garth D. Wiebe, October 12, 2006

Here is what Peter Shann Ford did.

He made the claim that the "a" was present in "One small step for (a) man" based on the following methodology:

He used a simple, low cost audio wave editor (GoldWave v5.14) to examine the audio waveform.

First he used the editor to select the background noise in the waveform where Neil Armstrong was not speaking.

Then he used the editor's capability to filter the whole waveform based on that selected noise profile.

Then he zoomed in on the area in question and noticed that there was still something there. He assumed that this was the missing "a" sound.

What he saw was only the noise that existed there in the first place, although somewhat reduced by the noise filtering.

He said that the "a" sound was too quick to be humanly perceived, as it was "0.035 seconds" long.

Here is what I did:

I likewise created a filtered version of the original recording, in the same way that he did.

I used a more advanced audio editor (Adobe Audition 2.0) to create a two-dimensional, color-graded frequency plot, called a "spectrogram" of both the filtered and unfiltered versions. In it you can separately see the hum (straight continuous lines), crackly noise (vertical intrusions), and his voice (long wavy lines consisting of his fundamental pitch plus harmonic overtones above it. (See page 2.)

I used a second, very state of the art utility (Celemony Melodyne 3.0) to plot his fundamental vocal pitch on a "note by note" basis on what is called a "piano roll." One can flip back and forth between the piano roll and the spectrogram and correlate them. Melodyne is not able to discern a voiced vowel pitch ("a") during the spot in question, because it detects only noise there. (See page 3.)

I showed that the noise was still there in the filtered version, of sufficient magnitude to mislead someone looking at just the waveform into thinking that the desired object was there. (See page 4.)

On page 2, I show exactly where the "a" is still missing in the spectrogram. You can see this clearly in the spectrogram, whereas a simple waveform cannot reveal it. I circled that place where the "a" should appear as a fundamental tone of his voice, beneath the noise, if it was there.

I used the aforementioned advanced audio editor to slow down the section in question by a factor of ten, so that Mr. Ford's "0.035 second" section is now 0.35 seconds long. This alleviates Mr. Ford's contention that "0.035 seconds" is too quick to be humanly discerned.

Listening to the slowed down version, one can hear that the "a" still cannot be discerned, and that the sound progresses evenly from the "r" sound to the "m" sound with nothing in between.


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