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Philip
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posted 09-15-2006 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone has an idea what was the result of the observation(s) of the Apollo lunar landing sites by using ESO’s VLT telescope ?
Was this done, in other words was ‘observation time’ granted for this ‘experiment’ ?
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/11/24/1037697982142.html


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Philip
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posted 09-16-2006 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FYI : Well no results after all as nor the VLTI nor the Hubble Space Telescope can give sufficient resolution images to show the Apollo hardware on the lunar surface. We'll have to wait untill 2008 for another Moon orbiter with a high-res camera comparable to MRO currently in orbit around Mars.

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posted 09-16-2006 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Littler   Click Here to Email Paul Littler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw a brief news report on BBC News 24 about the end of the SMART-1 mission, which contained an interview with one of the ESA scientists. He said that even in much lower orbit, as SMART-1 descended to the surface, the cameras could still not have detected anything as small as a Lunar Module Descent stage or a Rover.

However he added that at the time of the crash of SMART-1 into the surface, the shadows, cast by anything on the surface, would have been very very long (did not say how long). He said it may be possible the resolution of the cameras, in the lower final orbits, might have been able to capture an elongated shadow of a Descent Stage at an Apollo landing site (I did not catch which site).

He said it would take some days if not weeks to analyse the data.

I do not know if this was said tongue in cheek to garner more publicity and he did not say if SMART-1 had been programmed to attempt photos of shadows of Apollo landing sites, or it would be a chance event.

I would not hold my breath and as has already been stated earlier in this thread photographs of Apollo hardware taken from orbit will not silence the doubters despite the overwhelming evidence that the manned landings took place.

Paul Littler

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robsouth
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posted 09-27-2006 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for robsouth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When it comes to the lunar hoax conspiracy I found this site very useful, don't view it if you are easily offended.
http://www.geocities.com/z_area_51_z/hoax.html

Steve Procter
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posted 09-27-2006 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Procter   Click Here to Email Steve Procter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have GOT to look at the above site. I just have and the tears are still rolling down my face - it's hilarious!!!

Steve

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posted 09-27-2006 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Paul Littler:
I would not hold my breath and as has already been stated earlier in this thread photographs of Apollo hardware taken from orbit will not silence the doubters despite the overwhelming evidence that the manned landings took place.

I agree. Anyone who seriously doubts the landings took place is just as likely to not believe any grainy images taken from a satellite in orbit. They'll claim the images from the satellite are also fakes.

They claim to want absolute proof, but any proof (no matter how compelling) is also dismissed as being part of the hoax. Even if a future Orion manned lunar mission visits one of the older landing sites, some people will claim that the evidence was planted there to make it look real...or even better, that the Orion mission is fake too!

If there is anything harder than landing on the moon, it is overcoming the endless ignorance of some people.

The sad thing is that some of these hoax believers are school teachers who are polluting a new generation of children with their so-called "facts."

FFrench
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posted 09-27-2006 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by robsouth:When it comes to the lunar hoax conspiracy I found this site very useful

Thank you for posting that link, Rob - I just read the whole thing and found it hilarious.

robsouth
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posted 09-29-2006 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for robsouth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haha! Not quite in the same league as one of your superb articles but I thought it might bring a smile to a few faces.

;^)

Rob

FFrench
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posted 09-29-2006 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Rob, if you are writing that in seriousness and not in jest, then it is much appreciated and means a lot - thank you.

FF

robsouth
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posted 09-29-2006 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for robsouth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Francis,
Of course I am serious, I think your articles are some of the best I've read and your 'Lost Faith' - A lone rebel and space bureaucracy, is one of my favourites because it is probably one of the most even-handed pieces written about Gordon Cooper's career at NASA.

FFrench
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posted 09-29-2006 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FFrench     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Thanks Rob - I am really glad you liked them. That Cooper article was a very interesting one to do, and I'm glad I got the right balance. You're going to enjoy the two books I have co-authored with Colin Burgess, then:
http://collectspace.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000842.html

as they cover Cooper's career and two flights, and draw on exclusive interviews with him that were conducted just for the books. Gordo was also very helpful with stories on Donn Eisele, amongst other things.

robsouth
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posted 10-01-2006 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for robsouth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I think I will definately have to add those to my collection of 58 books on space travel. I missed out on meeting Gordon Cooper by about a week, he died just before attending an autograph show in the UK so I was never able to see him. You are very lucky to have not only met him but to have sat down with him and discussed his career. And that photo from Apollo 11 makes a great cover, its as if it was taken for that purpose with that beautiful scene of earth and the sun shining in one corner.

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