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Topic: Gemini 4: Complete list of photographs?
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spaced out
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From: Paris, France
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posted 11-22-2005 08:59 AM
   
Is there any site that has a complete list or thumbnails of photos taken on the Gemini 4 flight? The Johnson Space Center site is pretty good but doesn't have everything. In particular I was looking for details on S-65-30549 - a great closeup shot of Ed White in the spacecraft.Another question to which I guess I should probably know the answer - where are the photos taken by Ed White during his EVA? |
carmelo
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posted 11-22-2005 10:07 AM
Good questions. The Johnson Space Center site doesn't have much of anything. |
nasamad
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posted 11-22-2005 12:48 PM
According to a Gemini 4 report: On the Gemini IV mission, five magazines, each loaded with approximately 60 frames of 70" EMachrome MS (SO-217) film on a 2 mil Estar base, with an ASA 64 rating, were carried. In addition to the S-5 Experiment, this film was used for general purpose photography and the Synoptic Weather Photography Experiment. So if all the frames were used there should be about 300 70mm photographs plus whatever White took on his EVA camera. I've never seen anything like this amount for any Gemini mission.I'd guess a large portion of the images were of the Earth (S-5 experiment). I'd love to see an in flight shot of White or McDivitt, plus any of the images White took. |
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posted 11-22-2005 02:46 PM
Here's a scan of S-65-30549. I was trying to find out when exactly it was taken but couldn't find any details. |
nasamad
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posted 11-22-2005 03:19 PM
Great shot. It would take a bit of reading but it might be worth looking through the air-to-ground and onboard flight transcript. |
heng44
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posted 11-23-2005 12:15 AM
That photo has puzzled me, too. I have thumbnail images of all the Hasselblad photos taken on Gemini 4 and a complete list describing them and stating when they were taken. This photo is not among them, though.I have also seen a list describing all the photos on White's EVA camera, and again this photo isn't mentioned. |
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posted 11-23-2005 02:04 AM
So there are lists, but where are the shots from Ed's EVA camera? I don't remember seeing any shots of the spacecraft from his point of view. |
heng44
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posted 11-23-2005 02:09 AM
I posted one of the nose of the Gemini-4 spacecraft taken by White as "Photo of the Week." |
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posted 11-23-2005 04:31 AM
In fact reading the transcripts (thanks Adam!) for the EVA and Ed's comments afterwards it's clear that he struggled to get decent photos during the spacewalk. He estimated that he took about a dozen pictures but that his arms were in front about 50-60% of the time (trying to keep the various lanyards out of the way of the camera) and that the rest of the time he was not in a good position.I did try to briefly scan the transcripts for a mention of Jim's shot of Ed in the spacecraft but couldn't find it mentioned explicitly. Ed does ask ground at one stage (22 58 42) if someone can suggest light meter readings for inside-the-spacecraft pictures and mentions that he's taken a few already but I didn't see any reply. |
heng44
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posted 11-23-2005 04:50 AM
Concerning the light-meter readings: he might also have been talking about 16mm film. There is some IVA footage on the Spacecraft Films DVD. |
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posted 11-23-2005 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by heng44:
Concerning the light-meter readings: he might also have been talking about 16mm film.
He was talking explicitly about regular photos, as a moment later he also asks about 16mm camera settings for inside shooting. 22 58 42 P You might ask... if they can work up some settings for inside-the-spacecraft pictures; we have 200 feet of film. I have taken a few in here already, but I thought they might give us a suggested light meter reading.22 59 01 CC Roger. We'll see if we can get it for you. 22 59 02 P Also get a movie camera 16-mm setting for inside the spacecraft. [...] we thought that we'd take some pictures with it inside if we had a little film left over. |
heng44
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posted 11-23-2005 12:40 PM
Here is a shot that White took while he was outside, using the camera on his Hand-Held Self Maneuvering Unit: S65-30547.White took 28 photos (including some inside the spacecraft) and this one is among the best. From the description I don't think the photo Chris posted in this thread is included, but I wouldn't know where else it came from. |
FFrench
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posted 11-23-2005 02:56 PM
I remember that EVA photo being printed in "Spaceflight" many years ago, and (to my recollection) the article said that light fogging on the film, evident on this photo, made almost all of the other shots he took unusable. Is this correct? |
heng44
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posted 11-24-2005 12:20 AM
I believe you are right Francis. I checked that very article for the number of exposures that White made, but I don't have it with me here at work. The list of frames does include some shots taken after the EVA of the window, but the photo of White isn't mentioned. |
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posted 11-24-2005 11:51 AM
I guess the best we can do in terms of images from Ed White's viewpoint is to look at the reflections in his visor. |
Robert Pearlman
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posted 12-01-2011 04:30 PM
Excuse the meta-post, especially as it revives a six-year-old thread, but a blog entry posted yesterday (Nov. 30) on Air & Space magazine's The Daily Planet cited this thread in the author's (Heather Goss's) quest to learn if the photo taken of Ed White inside Gemini IV was the first in-space portrait. So if the order of the negatives isn’t going to tell us anything, where else might we look? Some Googling took us to this exchange on CollectSpace.com, which refers to the mission transcript... (Note that author/historian Andrew Chaikin chimes in with his thoughts in the blog's comments.) |
kyra
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posted 12-02-2011 01:07 AM
I would recommend checking to see if the Mission Report has the breakdown - if it doesn't it is in the Flight Data File in the NARA's Record Group 255 (or in someone's collection). |
LM-12
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posted 12-02-2011 05:53 AM
S-65-30549 is dated 3 June 1965 on this website. |
DChudwin
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posted 12-02-2011 05:23 PM
Did any of the early multi-man Russian flights have an in-space photo of the crew?Also, there are the well-known automated camera movie shots of the Mercury astronauts during their flights, starting with Al Shepard. Wouldn't these be the first U.S. portraits in space? The main difference with GT-4 is that Jim McDivitt took the picture of Ed. (By the way, Jim is an award winning photographer for his EVA shots.) |
60spacestuff
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posted 12-08-2011 06:20 PM
Here is the black & white version with the description on the back. |
Grounded!
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posted 12-08-2011 08:14 PM
I have a copy of NASA publication SP-129 entitled "Earth Photographs from Gemini III, IV, and V." The appendix lists "every photograph" taken on Gemini IV and lists 219 images, including over/under exposures, blanks, etc. Image S-65-30549 is not listed in the appendix. therefore, this cannot be a complete list. So what is the true total? |
LM-12
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posted 05-12-2016 09:39 AM
Photo S65-30549 is identified as image number GT4-37149-013 in the Gemini 4 "March to the Moon" gallery. It is one of several underexposed interior shots that include both White and McDivitt. Note images 003 thru 030.Image GT4-37199-019 is another interesting photo. McDivitt sleeping, I guess. |
Space Cadet Carl
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posted 05-12-2016 07:27 PM
The "March To The Moon" gallery mentioned above appears to have all of the photos White took outside on EVA. One shot is a closeup of maneuvering thrusters on the very rear edge of the equipment module. I didn't know Ed made it all the way back there. |
LM-12
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posted 07-17-2016 11:39 PM
March to the Moon gallery frames 37149-012 and -013 (S65-30549) are onboard photos of Ed White, but frames -003 and -005 are grainy but recognizable images of Jim McDivitt. So maybe 37149-003 is the first in-space portrait.The 37149-xxx photos might be in the sequence they were taken. The S65-xxxxx photos definitely are not. |
LM-12
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posted 07-18-2016 10:32 AM
Notice in -003 that McDivitt is not wearing his helmet. I think the photo was taken after the EVA. In the transcripts, White says they are "completing the final suit ... checks" at 02 47 23 GET. McDivitt mentions at 03 05 25 GET that they haven't had time to take any pictures. |
LM-12
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posted 10-10-2022 11:21 AM
The March to the Moon website has these numbers for the Gemini 4 photographs: - Hasselblad 70mm - 259 photos
- Zeiss 35mm - 104 photos
The Zeiss photos shown include those taken by White during the EVA, and the photos of McDivitt and White inside the Gemini spacecraft. |
davidcwagner
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posted 10-10-2022 01:01 PM
This GT-4 spacewalk photo is a new one to me. Is there a more processed version? It has the spacecraft reflected in White's visor with McDivitt's closed hatch and the other open hatch. Photo is Image 50 of 259
S65-34640_G04-H |
nasamad
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posted 10-10-2022 01:52 PM
I finally uploaded my list of all the NASA assigned numbers for the Gemini 4 mission.If you go on the "more" menu you'll also find the image numbers for all the 70mm photographs taken during the Gemini missions. |
LM-12
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posted 10-10-2022 04:54 PM
The grainy photo 37149-023 seems to show McDivitt wearing his helmet. |
LM-12
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posted 10-11-2022 09:57 AM
The Gemini 4 Mission Report has this list for the "onboard spacecraft" number of still photographs: - Extravehicular operation - 29
- Experiment S-5, Synoptic Terrain Photography - 125
- Experiment S-6, Synoptic Terrain Photography - 107
- Experiment MSC-10, Two-Color Earth's Limb Photographs - 28
- Apollo Landmark Experiment - 35
- Miscellaneous general purpose photography - 108
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