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Delta7
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posted 05-06-2020 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delta7   Click Here to Email Delta7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess my main question is if there was ever any official indication of who NASA planned on assigning to MA-8 and MA-9 prior to Deke Slayton's grounding. Other than speculation.

Michael Cassutt
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posted 05-06-2020 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael Cassutt   Click Here to Email Michael Cassutt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No. Based on conversations I had years ago with Slayton, Walt Williams and Bill Douglas, it was clear that the planning for future pilot assignments went as far as the next mission, possibly two.

Slayton told me, for example, that it wasn't a given that John Glenn would fly the first orbital mission because Gilruth and Williams wondered if prior experience on a Redstone was necessary. "If Al or Gus had said it was, I guarantee you one of them would have had it. But they said, hell no, you just needed training."

If Slayton had flown MA-7, Carpenter would almost surely have had 8 and Schirra 9. That was the planned completion of Mercury -- further missions might have been scheduled if there had been a failure.

As for Cooper in that scenario, he would probably have stuck around for Gemini.

oly
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posted 05-07-2020 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oly   Click Here to Email oly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Carpenter talks about the selection of a replacement to Slayton in his Oral History Project interview, including the reasoning behind him being selected to fly over Schirra, who was training as Slayton's backup.

It seems that the selection for each mission was partially based on the results of the previous mission. Additionally, each astronaut was designing the flight plan for their mission and submitting it for approval, whilst undertaking the training as a backup for another flight.

Well, okay. The flight after John's, which was MA-6, was MA-7; and Deke Slayton was assigned that flight. On the centrifuge during the training period for that flight Deke had an anomaly in his heart which in conventional medical wisdom of that time was considered disqualifying. We recognize now that it was no more serious than a hiccup, but Deke was scratched and he wouldn't fly again for a long time, until Apollo-Soyuz [Test Project]. It was a destructive thing for Deke.

Wally was his backup and by rights should have gotten the flight. But Walt Williams again, I think (I don't know who made the decision), but it was a NASA decision that since I had had such an intimate relationship with the MA-6, getting John ready to go, that I was better prepared to take the next flight than Wally was, the standby.

That was very destructive to Wally, too, and we've survived that; but he was angry, and with reason. Anyway, I got the flight. And Wally became not only backup as he had been for Deke, but my backup; and he got the flight following.

dtemple
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One point not made up until now is that NASA did not expect every Mercury astronaut would necessarily survive the program. The belief was that one would quite possibly get killed flying a mission.

If that had happened the mission would have needed to have been tried again — assuming, of course, the program did not get cancelled on the basis that it was just too dangerous. I doubt the latter would have happened, but there likely would have been some politicians saying just that.

Manned spaceflight was (and still is) dangerous. I wonder if anyone at the time really believed all seven Mercury astronauts selected in 1959 would still be alive at the conclusion of the project.

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posted 05-07-2020 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ColinBurgess   Click Here to Email ColinBurgess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And of course prior to Project Mercury the plans were to have several manned suborbital shots before proceeding to orbital missions, so the Mercury astronauts would have had an expectation of possibly making more than one flight in that series.

Michael Cassutt
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posted 05-07-2020 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael Cassutt   Click Here to Email Michael Cassutt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Exactly. The early expectation was that there would be more Redstone suborbital flights than Atlas orbital.

Also, it was absolutely Walt Williams who made the call to put Carpenter on MA-7, after Gilruth said, "What do we do?" Deke wasn't happy and Wally sure wasn't.

Lou Chinal
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posted 05-09-2020 04:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lou Chinal   Click Here to Email Lou Chinal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had a chance to speak to both Shepard and Gilruth about MA-10. Yes, Walt Williams was mad as hell at Shepard for going over his head at the White House. Shepard told me, the President said "Walt Williams is your boss."

Gilruth said to me that as of March 1st 1962, (the day of Deke's grounding), "it was felt that Carpenter was better trained than Schirra to take on the flight."

Spacecraft numbers 10, 12, 15, 17 and 19 did not fly in the program. I still have no idea who did the paint job.


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