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J_Geenty
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posted 05-29-2005 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for J_Geenty   Click Here to Email J_Geenty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The recent "what if" thread made me go back to some of my own. I'd love to hear some comments on it, good and bad. The baseline is how Apollo was intended to go from a standpoint of the middle of 1966. This means that Apollo 1 will fly successfully early in 1967. The original Block I Apollo 2 is launched later the same year. While Schirra is still unhappy with the mission, the difference is this time that SM-017 is not damaged in an explosion which requires its replacement with the SM from Apollo 2. Therefore Apollo 2, carrying many experiments which will be developed on the later AAP flights, completes the longest duration spaceflight up to that point. The mission also helps to cover up the delays with the LM and Saturn V. Elliot See and Charles Bassett do not get killed and take their places in the rotation.

There then follows a sequence of missions, both manned and unmanned which lead to the landing. Apollo 3 is the 207/208 LM-2 flight with McDivitt. Borman takes the first Saturn V flight in HEO. Apollo 5 and Apollo 6 test the system in lunar orbit. Apollo 7 makes the first landing, followed by a couple of short duration landings with Apollo 8 and Apollo 9. This ends the first phase of Apollo and the first few AAP missions now take place. The first dual launch is of the unmanned wet-Workshop, followed by a 28 day initial mission. The second dual launch is the unmanned Apollo Telescope Mount, which is then docked to the OWS by the second manned crew who stay for 56 days. The last flight in the first batch of AAP missions is the test of an orbital mapping system intended for use in later lunar flights. It was known as AAP-1A prior to its cancellation and would seem to be a logical way to take some pressure of the AAP-1 and AAP-3 crews.

I would assume that following the AAP missions a second batch of longer landings would take place to use up the leftover hardware before a full AAP Workshop and Lunar missions started. Just as a note, I’ve listed the next lunar crew as being commanded by Al Shepard, with Stuart Roosa as CMP and Bill Anders as LMP. This gives Shepard the first available flight, an experienced LMP and keeps Anders in the program since he really wanted to walk on the moon.

There are a lot of changes in this ALT History. However I believe it shows Apollo as many people thought it would turn out from a mid-1966 standpoint.

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Apollo 1
CSM-012
AS-204

Grissom (3) McDivitt (1)
White (2) Scott (1)
Chaffee (1) Schweickart (0)

Apollo 2
CSM-014
AS-205

Schirra (3) Borman (1)
Eisele (1) Bassett (1)
Cunningham (1) Anders (0)

Apollo 3
CSM-101/LM-2
AS-207/AS-208

McDivitt (2) Conrad (2)
Scott (2) Gordon (1)
Schweickart (1) Williams (0)

Apollo 4
CSM-103/LM-3
AS-503

Borman (2) Grissom (3)
Bassett (2) Young (2)
Anders (1) Collins (1)

Apollo 5
CSM-104/LM-4
AS-504

Armstrong (2) Stafford (2)
Lovell (2) Eisele (1)
Aldrin (1) Cernan (1)

Apollo 6
CSM-106/LM-5
AS-505

Conrad (3) Scott (2)
Gordon (2) Chaffee (1)
Williams (1) Mitchell (0)

Apollo 7
CSM-107/LM-7
AS-506

Grissom (4) Bassett (2)
Young (3) Anders (1)
Collins (2) Haise (0)

Apollo 8
CSM-109/LM-8
AS-507

Stafford (3) Lovell (2)
Eisele (2) Mattingly (0)
Cernan (2) Aldrin (1)

Apollo 9
CSM-110/LM-9
AS-508

Scott (3) Gordon (2)
Chaffee (2) Swigert (0)
Mitchell (1) Williams (0)

AAP-1 (Followed by workshop launch)
CSM-105
AS-209

White (3) Cunningham (1)
Lousma (1) Pogue (0)
Kerwin (1) Gibson (0)

AAP-3 (Followed by ATM launch)

See (2) Cunningham (1)
Weitz (1) Pogue (0)
Garriott (1) Gibson (0)

AAP-5 (14 Days)

Bean (1) Schweickart (1)
Engle (1) McCandless (0)
Michel (1) Lind (0)

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A couple of points about the AAP crews. I didn't switch Lousma and Weitz in order just to be different. I did it because Lousma was working on power-up procedures in the AAP branch and would seem logical for the first flight. AAP-5 was given to Bean as a rookie due to his work getting the AAP branch ready for so long, but I suppose he could equally have flown in a later Apollo LMP slot.

I am somewhat worried about Armstrong and Conrad. Without landing on the moon, it seems possible they would have stayed in the rotation and gone direct from prime on 5 to backup on 8 and then back to prime. If this seems more likely to you then remove Mattingly and Swigert from the later backup crews. Anyway, sorry for the long post, hope it formats right. Let me know your thoughts guys.

John

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posted 05-29-2005 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dtemple   Click Here to Email dtemple     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is an interesting alternative timeline! Perhaps I read it too quickly, but I didn't see a proposal for AAP-2 and AAP-4? Are these unmanned launches of hardware? Also, what is AAP-5? You mentioned the AAP-1A a test of the equipment for the Lunar Polar Orbit Mapping Mission. I have a copy of mission planning dated 1969 that shows Apollo missions 11-20 and the mapping mission. If only everything had been flown as planned... By the way, according to the book, "Apollo - The Lost and Forgotten Missions," there were block 3 Apollo studies. This version, if I recall correctly, would have been used for missions to Mars using Venus as a gravity assist. Imagine Apollo to Venus and Mars! Try that alternative timeline! Who becomes the first crew to go to Mars?!

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posted 05-30-2005 04:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for J_Geenty   Click Here to Email J_Geenty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AAP-2 and AAP-4 were indeed hardware launches. Strange as it might seem, it was intended to launch the manned CSM prior to the actual workshop launch. I think common sense would probably have caused a switch here, to avoid exactly the kind of problems that came up during the Skylab launch. The OWS would be launched by AS-210. AAP-4 would seem the launch on AS-212 of the Apollo Telescope Mount, using most of LM-6 to deploy it. The AAP-3 crew would dock with the ATM and then attach it to the station. I think CSM-108 was mentioned as being selected for AAP-3. I'm not sure how viable the option of using CSM-105 was for AAP-1, since it had been used in ground tests, but the plans did show that it would be used.

AAP-5 is essentially the mission that is featured on p87 of "Apollo - The Lost and Forgotten Missions". Originally the Mapping and Survey Systems (M&SS) module was to be attached to the OWS during the first AAP flight. In 1967 this was assigned to a seperate mission to take the pressure off the first two AAP crews. This seems a logical move and so I've added it into the timeline. Since it doesn't involve docking, it doesn't seem to require an experienced crew. I've earmarked CSM-111 for AAP-5, but again plans suggested reuse of CSM-101. AS-213 would be the launch vehicle.

As for after what I've listed. I think we would see five or six landings similar in scale to the J-Missions. There would then follow a couple more long duration flights to the first workshop before a second, possible dry-workshop was deployed. After that its difficult to say. I think a Block III CSM would have been developed for AAP missions, probably with a Saturn II launch vehicle replacing the Saturn IB production line. Mars? Not sure, but interesting. If that was going to happen I'm sure a lot of astronauts would have hung around.

The attraction of this timeline for me is that this is how Apollo and early AAP was shaping up in 1966 when NASA seemed to be at its ambitious peak. It also shows how Deke might have intended to use his astronauts before events began to take their toll. It shows why Deke needed some experienced astronauts in AAP. If you start from this baseline, a lot of decisions make more sense.

John

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posted 05-30-2005 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carmelo   Click Here to Email carmelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And John Young walk on the moon with Apollo 13 (16 in our timeline)?

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posted 05-30-2005 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for J_Geenty   Click Here to Email J_Geenty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When factoring in the return of Al Shepard, and giving him Apollo 10, that puts John Young as CDR of Apollo 14 (CSM115A/LM14/SA513). The CDRs for the next phase were I think Shepard, Bassett, Lovell, Gordon and Young. But beyond the initial AAP flights not much was fleshed out, so its mostly guess work... although I have put in full crews for Apollos 10-14, just that I'm not that certain about them.

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