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Topic: A doctor's notes on Astronaut sicknesses
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Captain Apollo Member Posts: 260 From: UK Registered: Jun 2004
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posted 08-31-2004 10:29 AM
http://www.doctorzebra.com/drz/s_medhx.html Take a look at this - from an MD's website. Some errors, but some things I never knew |
KC Stoever Member Posts: 1012 From: Denver, CO USA Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 08-31-2004 11:07 AM
This is interesting. I've seen a version of this before.Two errors that I spotted right away. First, Carpenter was an on-and-off smoker since joining the Navy as an 18-year-old in 1943. Mostly on. Camel unfiltered. Once selected for Project Mercury, he would quit for purposes of training (prob. for MA-6 and MA-7 and perhaps for Sealab missions). But he smoked after those missions throughout the 1960s until about 1985. Second, Glenn never smoked tobacco, according to Carpenter, who was aware of Schirra's account. On rare occasion, according to Carpenter, Glenn smoked kinnikinik, a medicinal plant (bearberry) used by native Americans. Berries are edible, and the dried leaves, when smoked, are said to be quite pleasant without the unpleasant (and addictive) properties common to tobacco. As for Glenn's heartbeat on the launchpad and the urban legend (which I've never heard myself), one could check the bluebook report, which supplies charts of heart rate, with explanatory text from the medics. In this case Kraft, I believe, is right. It never happened. |
WAWalsh Member Posts: 809 From: Cortlandt Manor, NY Registered: May 2000
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posted 08-31-2004 12:17 PM
It does have some interesting moments. I need to go back and look at "Last Man on the Moon" to see if Gene Cernan really claimed he received a bad sunburn because his suit split and his back was exposed. Seems like a misinterpretation to me. He also indicated that the crew of Soyuz 18 pulled 20+ g during reentry, which seems high.I would like to see a related link on the site to Stupid Flight-Surgeon Tricks to be expanded. |
DavidH Member Posts: 1217 From: Huntsville, AL, USA Registered: Jun 2003
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posted 08-31-2004 12:30 PM
I've not read the Burroughs book. Has anybody else heard anything about cosmonauts smoking on Mir?------------------ http://allthese worlds.hatbag.net "America's challenge of today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow." - Commander Eugene Cernan, Apollo 17 Mission, 11 December 1972 |
KC Stoever Member Posts: 1012 From: Denver, CO USA Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 08-31-2004 01:00 PM
From "The Spacewalk from Hell" chap. 13, The Last Man on the Moon, p. 138:"Although my mask was cold, my lower back was scalding hot. During the somersaults of daylight umbilical dynamics, I had ripped apart the rear seams on those seven inner layers of heavy insulation and the Sun had baked the exposed triangle of unprotected skin." I spoke with Cernan in 2002 about his spacewalk when researching NASA's too-little too-late EVA training procedures ca 1965. He whistled ruefully, remembering the event. He urged me to read his account. Spacewalk from hell is right. Max Faget anticipated high-G reentries as early as 1958. "What happens," he asks rhetorically, in oral interviews, "if the Atlas fails at a velocity near to 18,000 feet per second? . . . . the centripetal force from circling the earth at constant altitude would be only about one-half G." But then you start to fall and when this happens you're "reentering at about a ten- to twelve-degree flight-path angle." That produces at least 18 Gs of drag. Faget asked Carter C. Collins to try these Gs at the Navy's Johnsville centrifuge. Collins went up to 20 Gs, allowing a grateful Faget to report to a skeptical and conservative Air Force medical community that reentry even at 20 Gs was humanly possible. Note that the Navy medics had already figured out the superior supine position (G sub z) and used it at Johnsville; Faget used this mode for his supine contour couch for Project Mercury. The Air Force was still using the G sub x (seated) mode in their Wright-Pat centrifuge. Can't sustain as many Gs this way. [This message has been edited by KC Stoever (edited August 31, 2004).] |
Captain Apollo Member Posts: 260 From: UK Registered: Jun 2004
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posted 08-31-2004 01:28 PM
I didn't know Deke Slayton was missing a finger (something he shared with Scotty - James Doohan) Incidentally, Dr Z also has a nice page on Presidential illness and infirmity - and I didn't know Bill Clinton wears hearing aids in both ears either.
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KC Stoever Member Posts: 1012 From: Denver, CO USA Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 08-31-2004 02:22 PM
Yes, Deke lost a finger, but at no loss to his mobility. It was not considered an impairment. Interestingly, though, he had this childhood injury in common with the more seriously impaired Chris Kraft, whose rather Strangelovian burn injury to his right hand was considered a physical disqualification. He did not win a much-desired WWII spot as a naval aviation cadet (V-12a program). The common injuries go part way in explaining another bond Deke and Kraft shared: their suspicion of, and hostility towards,the medical establishment, particulary after specialists recommended that Deke not be given an early flight because of his atrial fibrillation. |
Matt T Member Posts: 1369 From: Chester, Cheshire, UK Registered: May 2001
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posted 08-31-2004 03:07 PM
If you ever see one of Deke's A7L suits you'll see that the glove has been molded to fit the stump of his finger.Now that's perfectionism Cheers, Matt ------------------
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WAWalsh Member Posts: 809 From: Cortlandt Manor, NY Registered: May 2000
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posted 08-31-2004 03:27 PM
Will add this here, since it has come up. With almost no substantive knowledge of the Soviet program, the 20+ g reentry of Soyuz 18-1 caught my interest. Surfing produced the following general information.What apparently happened was an abort during launch. Soyuz 18-1 was carrying two cosmonauts when launched. The second stage failed to separate as three of the six locks between stages remained in place. When the thrid stage lit, the second stage was blown clear but at the expense of the flight path and stability of the vehicle. There seems to have been a bit of a problem getting the Soviet mission control to recognize the problem and hit the abort. The Soyuz craft did separate and come down at 20+ gs before it landed on a mountain, and then tumbled down. Both cosmonauts survived, but Lazarev never flew again due to injuries. The Soviet government initially denied both cosmonauts their space flight bonus. I am sure that there is more detailed information out there for those with a greater interest in the Soviet missions. |
Danno Member Posts: 572 From: Ridgecrest, CA - USA Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 08-31-2004 03:31 PM
Pete Conrad: During the Rorschach inkblot test in 1959, doctors routinely slipped a blank white card into the deck. Conrad "baffled the doctors by insisting it was upside down." A-hahahahahaha |
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posted 08-31-2004 07:12 PM
I bought that original Pete Conrad white card on E-bay. I have it framed on my study wall.Upside-down, of course! Honestly.... |
taneal1 Member Posts: 237 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 08-31-2004 09:16 PM
Interesting that there is no mention of the results of Ed White's autopsy. As I recall he had a severe blockage of the arteries on one side of his heart. And I believe an extremely high cholesterol level, although this may have been an assumption due to the arterial blockage. |
KC Stoever Member Posts: 1012 From: Denver, CO USA Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 09-02-2004 12:57 PM
Scott Carpenter had his fun with doctors, and inkblots, at Wright-Patterson. His wife, Rene, knew he would be taking a typical battery of psych tests, which would include the Rohrschach test. Don't ever say you see a bat, she cautioned. Bats are bad. She was partly joking--but remembered this bit of arcana from a psychology course at the University of Colorado.After taking the measure of the psychiatrist with the cards, Carpenter said, "Oh, that looks like a bat." If you know Carpenter in the middle of a practical joke, you know the look on his face--wide-eyed pantomime of fear here. "Oh?" the psychiatrist prompted, "What else do you see?" Carpenter then exclaimed, "It's coming right at us!!" Laughter ensued. Candidates got extra points, Allen Gamble said, for a demonstrating a sense of humor. This account was first shared in WE SEVEN. |