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Topic: A Much-Married Astronaut?
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ColinBurgess Member Posts: 2043 From: Sydney, Australia Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 04-09-2004 06:09 AM
In the final couple of pages of his book "Light This Candle," Neal Thompson alludes to an astronaut who has been married six times. I've wracked my brains over this and can only come up with Ed Mitchell (three times). Does anyone know who he's talking about?Incidentally, Thompson could have done himself a big favour by asking a space historian to check his facts for him. While most of the book is quite good, there's also some very poor errors in there. Then again, who am I to talk?  Colin |
micropooz Member Posts: 1532 From: Washington, DC, USA Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 04-09-2004 06:59 AM
Probably Story Musgrave. |
earthbound New Member Posts: From: Registered:
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posted 04-09-2004 04:20 PM
An informed source tells me Story has been married once. |
FFrench Member Posts: 3165 From: San Diego Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 04-09-2004 05:55 PM
Not according to Story's own website:"Married and divorced twice, Musgrave lives alone outside Houston although he may want to flee the "vanilla living" of the suburbs for the color and culture of the city, he says." |
FFrench Member Posts: 3165 From: San Diego Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 04-09-2004 06:17 PM
I know of one Mercury-era astronaut married four times - can't think of any more than that.FF |
KC Stoever Member Posts: 1012 From: Denver, CO USA Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 04-13-2004 01:07 PM
Francis is right--Carpenter has married four times. I haven't heard of an early astronaut who married six times.Can you tell from the context, Colin, if the author is alluding to an early astronaut? He probably meant Carpenter, and for some reason an exaggerated figure got into print. This makes sense, as the author may have wanted to make the larger, and somewhat ironic, point about Shepard, who for all his human and personal failings, was married only once to the beatific Louise. The author may also have been put out with Carpenter, who both declined to be interviewed and is vulnerable on the marital front. This kind of exaggeration can creep into memoirs rather innocently, as happened in Carpenter's memoirs, which claim he "totaled" six cars and a number of marriages. He had in fact totaled only two or three cars, and injured himself badly in two accidents, one in 1946 and one in 1964. |
KC Stoever Member Posts: 1012 From: Denver, CO USA Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 04-13-2004 01:25 PM
[Sorry for the html code: this edited post should be clearer.--KCS]That last post gave me an idea: perhaps Thompson read Carpenter's memoirs, recalled the business about "six" cars and "x" marriages getting totaled and simply keyboarded what he remembered, without checking back with the source material or asking the early astronaut himself. [This message has been edited by KC Stoever (edited April 16, 2004).] |
FFrench Member Posts: 3165 From: San Diego Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 04-13-2004 01:42 PM
I don't have the published copy of the book yet, only an uncorrected proof - but in that copy, the passage I imagine Colin is referring to comes on P. 397, mentioning the astronauts (Mercury, Gemini and Apollo era) who came to Shepard's funeral. Thompson then says "One astronaut had seven wives in sixteen years" - so unless this passage was changed for the final printing, he is actually saying an astronaut was married seven times.FF |
KC Stoever Member Posts: 1012 From: Denver, CO USA Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 04-13-2004 03:16 PM
Well, Carpenter attended the Shepard funeral with a soon-to-be fourth wife. Let's see, skipping wife no. 1 and a marriage of 23 years: Carpenter married wife no. 2 in 1973, ended in 1985; no. 3 ca. 1988, ended ca. 1991; wife no. 4 ca. 1998. That's only three wives over a span of 25 years; four wives over about 55 years. And only two cars totaled, a 1934 Ford and a 1966 Chevy Impala. I can't imagine who the author was thinking of. Seven wives? Perhaps Robert can ask the author. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 43576 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-13-2004 04:14 PM
According to Neal [Thompson], the reference to an astronaut who had been married seven times came from Walt Cunningham's "The All-American Boys", though apparently it does not name the astronaut either. |
KC Stoever Member Posts: 1012 From: Denver, CO USA Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 04-13-2004 07:02 PM
Another urban legend, glorified in print? |
ColinBurgess Member Posts: 2043 From: Sydney, Australia Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 04-13-2004 08:10 PM
Well in fact a look back at page 397 of the actual book reveals that he *does* indeed say seven wives in sixteen years. I've just written a review of the book for Amazon (it may take a few days to be posted) which I don't think the author will enjoy too much. One point I do make is that some of his voyeuristic "revelations" about Shepard present to us the very reason why he and his family have never aided journalists and biographers in the past, and most likely never will again. How dare he presume to tell us what Al and Louise did on their wedding night? It was a low point of the book for me. |
KC Stoever Member Posts: 1012 From: Denver, CO USA Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 04-13-2004 08:21 PM
I haven't read Thompson's book, but I wish him all the best with it and I've heard good things--and the author's sense of the need for such a book about such a complex and gifted guy, I thought, was spot on.Just because something will be difficult to do (like a bio of Al Shepard) doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. But it does make it, well, difficult. Having said that, I can't say I care to read about ANY newlyweds' honeymoon activites!! Guess I'll skip those pages when my copy arrives. |
FFrench Member Posts: 3165 From: San Diego Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 04-13-2004 09:38 PM
I found the quote on page 217 of the new edition of Walt's book which I guess Thompson was referring to. On a quick read, it says "With all the competition that went on and all the potential that existed for mischief, the astronaut record of seven divorces in sixteen years wasn't very remarkable." However, if you continue to read the same paragraph, you find: "Of the first forty married astronauts to fly in space, seven were divorced by the mid-seventies - roughly 18 percent." So, I take this to read that Walt meant seven CUMULATIVE astronaut divorces in that time period - and Thompson had taken it to mean he was referring to an individual. So I think this solves this mystery - no astronaut has been married more than four times. FF |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 43576 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-13-2004 10:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by ColinBurgess: One point I do make is that some of his voyeuristic "revelations" about Shepard present to us the very reason why he and his family have never aided journalists and biographers in the past, and most likely never will again. How dare he presume to tell us what Al and Louise did on their wedding night? It was a low point of the book for me.
Colin, my friend, to be fair, the passage you describe is limited to one (albeit slightly long) sentence that seeks to emphasize that their time together was fleeting; a brief pause before Shepard would ship off again and that their honeymoon was the first time the couple had "spent more than a day or two together, and never had they been truly alone." Certainly you must acknowledge that given the FBI reports and other such intrusions into Shepard's private life that surfaced after his passing, that Thompson exhibited a good deal of restraint compared to what he could have written as to Shepard's and Louise's relationship. |
ColinBurgess Member Posts: 2043 From: Sydney, Australia Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 04-13-2004 10:35 PM
Hi Robert,I just take exception to (page 56)"watch each other undress, to taste each other, to make love" and again on the next page (57) "a final night together, a final taste of each other." The guy seems to have a predeliction for odious repetition, which I personally find intrusive and unecessary. It's only a very small point, I know, but one that stuck in my craw when I thought of his children and grandchildren reading that. Mostly the book suffers from not having a good space historian go through it for him before he rushed to print, as there are several errors that diminish its overall credibility. But as I said earlier, who am I to talk? People in glass houses and all that ... Other than that, it's very enjoyable and interesting reading. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 43576 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-13-2004 10:47 PM
I agree that the technical errors do detract from an otherwise fine story. I believe that Neal said in one of our prior conversations that at least one space historian did read through the book and provided corrections, so an effort was made. In an e-mail received today, he said he was collecting references to errors and corrections would be made for the paperback edition. I have encouraged him to participate here, which he has said he has an interest doing, and I would hope that his presence would be welcome. |
ColinBurgess Member Posts: 2043 From: Sydney, Australia Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 04-14-2004 12:50 AM
Robert, be assured I'll be one of the first to welcome Neal. This is a tremendously important book, and its problem areas need to be discussed and amended in any subsequent editions. One of the interviewees important to his book urged him to contact me over a year ago, but this never happened, which is a pity. |
KC Stoever Member Posts: 1012 From: Denver, CO USA Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 04-14-2004 01:05 PM
I for one hope Thompson joins us. The more knowledge the better![This message has been edited by KC Stoever (edited April 16, 2004).] |
KC Stoever Member Posts: 1012 From: Denver, CO USA Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 04-14-2004 01:24 PM
And in defense of Neal and all authors everywhere who struggle to tell a story, I will add that it's important for authors to imagine these intimate moments on behalf of the reader. Especially when the subject has been for so long so one-dimensional, so guarded, and so private. It's important to imagine the private man, with his wife. The quoted text doesn't sound offensive to me, but it may to some. Some authors have access to personal letters, living subjects, cooperative children, personal journals. Neal had none of these. He had his training in journalism, his imagination, his skill as a writer, but little in the way of private, personal material. Rob makes an excellent point re: the FBI material, which I understand is vile. It takes a principled author to resist the temptation to draw on such material. So kudos to Thompson. Well done. [I like this edit function on cS--not the same as a preview function, where one can also proof and rewrite, but helpful all the same.--KCS] [This message has been edited by KC Stoever (edited April 16, 2004).] |