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Robert Pearlman
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posted 02-20-2023 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wind Vintage is now offering Mercury astronaut Scott Carpenter's gold Omega Speedmaster for sale. The watch comes from a member of Carpenter's family.
It is truly a remarkable watch, as it was given to American naval officer and astronaut Scott Carpenter for his role in Project Mercury on November 25, 1969, during an event at the Hotel Warwick in Houston. These 'Tribute to Astronauts" watches were presented by OMEGA during a gala dinner to Scott Carpenter, and 25 additional astronauts (both alive and deceased), as commemorative timepieces for their voyages into space.
Wally Schirra’s gold Speedmaster was sold for $1,906,954 in October 2022. Wind Vintage is offering Carpenter's watch for $1.5 million.

Update: The watch has been withdrawn from sale.

Larry McGlynn
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posted 02-20-2023 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry McGlynn   Click Here to Email Larry McGlynn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott's watch is in excellent condition. It looks like he rarely wore the watch. The key to look at is the bezel. It has almost no wear on it.

Looks like the Collins's family started something.

Only one minor correction on the lot description. There were 39 of this specific version of the Apollo 11 1969 Commemorative Gold Omega Speedmaster. Otherwise the dealer nailed it.

Gordon Eliot Reade
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posted 02-21-2023 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gordon Eliot Reade   Click Here to Email Gordon Eliot Reade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A gorgeous watch and a wonderful piece of history. It looks like the caliber 861 so not that same movement as was worn on the moon but given the provenance that's a minor quibble.

Is there a listing of the other astronaut owned gold Omega Speedmaster and how much they sold for? One and a half million seems a bit steep.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 02-21-2023 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This might not be a total list, but:
  • Alan Bean's gold Omega (no. 26) sold for $50,000, including the premium, at Bonhams New York in 2015.

  • Michael Collins' watch (no. 19) sold for $765,000, including the buyer's premium, at Heritage Auctions in June 2022.

  • Wally Schirra's gold Omega (no. 8) sold for $1,906,953.75, including the buyer's premium, at RR Auction in October 2022.

Gordon Eliot Reade
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posted 02-21-2023 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gordon Eliot Reade   Click Here to Email Gordon Eliot Reade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Robert. I can't afford it so I'll just have to be satisfied with my First Omega in Space (FOiS) which has essentially the same movement.
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My criticism of this watch is the inscription on the back.

"To mark man's conquest of space through time, with time, on time."

That's just silly. Better wording would've been;

"To Mark the First Manned Lunar Landing."

SpaceAholic
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posted 02-21-2023 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Omega jumped the gun, prematurely deploying that inscription before invention of warp travel.

Larry McGlynn
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posted 02-21-2023 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry McGlynn   Click Here to Email Larry McGlynn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a watch company and a watch company tends to want to hammer the point, about time, home. The word "Time" kinda has to be in the inscription. Time is of the essence in space travel. Also, the watch was gifted to astronauts that flew on other projects as well as various elected officials (Nixon and Agnew). As Omega has previously stated, this gold watch was produced to honor all the flown astronauts who contributed to the moon landing at the time (there's that word again).

Robert put together a partial list of the sales of these 39 watches that were produced for the Apollo astronauts. Which is a good enough selection of watches to show price progression. These astronaut presentation watches have been selling for years either privately or at auction until the Collins' sale at Heritage this year. The price range of these 39 watches was between $18,000 and $50,000 up to the last sale of the Bean watch in 2015. Now the numbers range from $250,000 to $1,970,000. Even the 975 Omega 1969 Apollo XI gold Speedmasters that were issued for the public without the personalized engravings on the case back are selling for an average of $60,000 now, so the wild price points for the extremely rare 39 watches are becoming the norm.

While those are extremely rare watches, normal watch prices have exploded too. The three Omega "Snoopy" watch versions, that have been in production since 2003, are selling for a minimum of $20,000 now with the 2015 Silver Snoopy now selling at an average price of $40,000.

So what happened in that seven years?

According to watch digital magazines such as Fratello, Hodinkee, Monochrome, and other watch blogsites, watches, especially, mechanical watches like the Omega Speedmaster and all Rolex watches have exploded in popularity and in value in the last 7 years. While there is much speculation on whether it is collectors, speculators or the "Millennials," the prices are soaring.

We have two excellent space watch collectors here on the site with Philip and TLIguy who both post about space. Philip posts on his "Moonwatch Universe" and TLIguy has the best, most extensive collection of signed watch case backs I have ever seen. Space related watches are hot.

Sorry for this epic. This is a topic that has been the subject of analysis and long discussion on the watch blogs for the last three years.

MartinAir
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posted 02-21-2023 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MartinAir   Click Here to Email MartinAir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like the inscription. Every other Speedy has "the first manned lunar landing" or "the first watch worn on the Moon" reference. The astronauts deserved something more original and unique.

That said, I hope the bubble will burst.

stsmithva
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posted 02-21-2023 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stsmithva   Click Here to Email stsmithva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ten years ago (I know because I just checked my sent emails), I wrote with the owner of watch no. 4. He had an amazing collection of various historical items — at one point RR Auction had a sale of many of them.

Anyway, back in 2013 my cluelessness about these watches was probably apparent, and he didn't give me an exact price. There is only a puny chance I would have been able to afford it, so I'll refrain from wishing I'd sold my car and bought it so I could now sell it for $1 million.

Here is an archived page about the watch. (The owner died in 2019 and his website is now down.) The astronaut's name has been digitally removed from the photos of the watch, but am I correct in thinking that it was probably Cooper since "Mercury" and "Gemini" are visible, but not "Apollo"?

And does anyone know what happened to it? Probably a private sale.

Philip
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posted 05-07-2023 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In fact, Scott Carpenter was a real wristwatch aficionado as photographs show he has worn at least four different brands:
  • Accutron Astronaut during his Mercury days.
  • Breitling Navitimer with 24 hours dial as requested at Breitling for his actual flight.
  • Rolex Submariner and Sea-Dweller used during aquanaut experiments on board US Navy SeaLab underwater habitats.
  • Gold Omega Apollo 11 tribute Speedmaster during his later "farming" life.
In 1979, Omega also offered him a 14K Gold Quartz chronometer serial 40 756 882.
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Originally posted by stsmithva:
Here is an archived page about the watch.
The Gold Omega "Apollo 11" shown on that archived webpage is no. 4. The complete list of Gold Apollo 11 tribute Speedmaster chronographs given to NASA astronauts shows it was awarded to Virgil I Grissom.

These 18K Gold "Apollo 11 tribute" Speedmaster BA 145.022-69 chronographs were gifted during the Astronaut Appreciation VIP dinner in the Warwick Hotel in Houston Texas on 25 November 1969.

Twenty-six astronauts were listed on the invitation as this group included all astronauts who had flown a spaceflight mission up to this date, including the Apollo 11 lunar landing mission. Among the 26 astronauts, astronaut chief Donald Deke Slayton was the exception and the Apollo 1 astronauts (Grissom, White and Chaffee) were awarded an “Apollo 11 tribute” Speedmaster posthumously.

Eventually, 1014 were made, 35 went to NASA.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 11-13-2023 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott Carpenter's gold Omega Speedmaster is now up for auction at Heritage, closing on Wednesday (Nov. 15).
One out of this world lot in the auction is an Omega, Very Rare And Important Gold Speedmaster Professional Wristwatch, No. 6, Presented To Astronaut Scott Carpenter, circa 1969, and was consigned to Heritage by Carpenter's son and is the first from a "Mercury Seven" astronaut ever offered at Heritage Auctions.

Ten years before, Carpenter was one of seven men chosen to take part in the Mercury Project — the United States' first attempt to put man in space. This Omega "Moonwatch" Speedmaster, reference 145.022-69 BA belonged to Carpenter, and was one of 26 gifted to astronauts by Omega in 1969. Carpenter was the sixth man to be successfully launched into space, and the second American to successfully orbit the earth aboard the Aurora-7.

spaceflori
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posted 12-14-2023 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceflori   Click Here to Email spaceflori     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm... from $1.5m to $150k including buyer's premium. Is there a reason other than that the watch market came down?

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