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Topic: Good price for a signed John Young photo
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MartinAir
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posted 03-18-2021 09:58 PM
   
Is 385$ a good offer for signed/inscribed (not personalized) John Young's "Jumping salute"? |
hbw60
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posted 03-19-2021 12:15 AM
If you're sure it's authentic, that's an amazing deal. It's a price so low that it would make me concerned about authenticity. They generally go for twice that price. |
fredtrav
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posted 03-19-2021 07:13 AM
It sounds like a good deal. It is not a really great deal as it is inscribed (I assume to a person) and those go for about that amount. It also depends on the signature, some were signed in a more sloppy style. If it is from eBay, make sure they have returns allowed so you can get it authenticated. |
MartinAir
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posted 03-19-2021 08:27 AM
Thank you for the replies. It might be from Novaspace, not personalized, see the photo:  |
Rick Mulheirn
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posted 03-19-2021 08:38 AM
Assuming the photo is in good condition, and the signature is not a pre printed copy, $385 is a bargain for what appears to be a typical later Novaspace signing. |
MartinAir
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posted 03-19-2021 09:05 AM
Yes, like "new" conditions. How rare is specifically this "jumping salute" signature and John Young's signature in general (compared to other well known astronauts)? Is he rarer than Neil Armstrong or Gene Cernan? |
usafspace
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posted 03-19-2021 10:24 AM
Your photo is not from Novaspace. It's from a Tom Walden signing. He is still selling them for a lot more than $385. |
hbw60
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posted 03-19-2021 11:41 AM
quote:
Originally posted by MartinAir:
How rare is specifically this "jumping salute" signature and John Young's signature in general (compared to other well known astronauts)?
Young's autograph is more rare than Armstrong or Cernan, simply because he didn't sign as much. But demand for Armstrong or Cernan is higher, because they're more famous. Overall, the value of Young's signature is largely based on the item signed. Shuttle-era photos are not nearly as valuable. And others, like his WSS portrait, are worth very high amounts (well over $1000). The jumping salute is a mid-range autograph. It's iconic, but it's also one of the most commonly-signed photos. So it generally seems to go for $600-$700. It's definitely one of the more valuable of his signatures, but not quite as valuable as some of the others. $385 is probably the best price you're likely to find for it. |
MartinAir
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posted 03-19-2021 01:04 PM
Good info, thanks. Surprising that his signed shuttle items are less valuable. He is, after all, the first astronaut to command and fly the shuttle.By the way, was he the most reluctant signer among the astronauts? If no, then who was/is? |
Ken Havekotte
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posted 03-19-2021 01:17 PM
My choice on that question Martin of those that have flown in space would be Bill Anders over any of the earlier NASA Mercury, Gemini and Apollo astronauts. |
MartinAir
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posted 03-19-2021 02:04 PM
You might be right, Ken. I'd really like to have my incoming "Earthrise" photo signed by the author as well.  |
vamanboatin
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posted 03-19-2021 02:49 PM
Martin, prior to the commercial and Novaspace signings it was not unusual to see
a "Jumping John" go for $2000 or more. A treasured and must have photo for many collectors. |
Rick Mulheirn
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posted 03-19-2021 03:06 PM
I would concur with Ken. Bill Anders is a reluctant signer. Even and the height of the Apollo program he could not be considered prolific!Apart from his book, Jack Schmitt has refused to sign autographs for 10 years or so. As a consequence Schmitt signed photos or lithos have increased markedly in recent years. |
hbw60
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posted 03-19-2021 03:28 PM
I'd definitely agree about Bill Anders. Many Mercury, Gemini and Apollo astronauts stopped signing in their later years, but I believe he's the only one who was never particularly easy.Back to the topic of John Young, my favorite signed photo option is the one sold at apolloastronauts.com, featuring Young with the LRV. It's a gorgeous photo, with a fantastic inscription. Does anyone happen to know where that site obtained them? I assumed it was a Novaspace signing, but the signature and handwriting look nicer than normal for that era:  |
randyc
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posted 03-19-2021 04:05 PM
In the photo above, note that the right rear wheel fender extension is missing. The Apollo 17 lunar rover had this fender extension broken off when the hammer in Gene Cernan's pocket caught the edge of the extension. However, unlike on Apollo 17 where some maps and clamps were used to replace the extension, John Young and Charlie Duke did not attempt to repair or replace the missing fender extension. |
MartinAir
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posted 03-19-2021 05:03 PM
Actually, I'm also about to receive the "Salute" photo from Charlie Duke. I let him inscribe it with "AD ASTRA". So Young's Jumping Salute wouldn't be totally out of touch, what do you think? |
usafspace
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posted 03-19-2021 06:15 PM
No offense to the tenth man to walk on the moon, but he has and is signing a lot. quote:
Originally posted by Rick Mulheirn:
As a consequence Schmitt signed photos or lithos have increased markedly in recent years.
I have to agree with Rick. Jack Schmitt would be my choice for reluctant signers. |
MartinAir
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posted 03-19-2021 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by usafspace:
No offense to the tenth man to walk on the moon, but he has and is signing a lot.
We should all appreciate that. He's probably the last active moonwalker (excluding the private signings). |
usafspace
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posted 03-20-2021 02:28 PM
Please don't forget about Dave Scott. |
MartinAir
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posted 03-20-2021 03:55 PM
Wait, can I request a signature from Dave Scott directly? Like from Charlie Duke? |
Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-20-2021 04:32 PM
David Scott does not sign through the mail or for fee. He used to take part in commercial signings and would sometimes appear at autograph shows, but at present no such opportunities are scheduled. |
MartinAir
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posted 03-22-2021 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by usafspace:
It's from a Tom Walden signing.
Interesting, never heard of him. Does he have a website? |
Rick Mulheirn
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posted 03-22-2021 05:14 AM
I am not familiar with the surname but I think this is Tom's website. It is my understanding that Tom has been selling signed Apollo items for 20 or 30 years under a couple of well known banners and that has included a number of astronaut signing deals. |
Steve Zarelli
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posted 03-22-2021 07:43 AM
The jump and salute poses with the labored signatures were done in a private signing with Tom Walden after Young had a medical incident. That was Young's last commercial signing. Reportedly he was not happy with the quality of the signatures. These tend to sell for a steep discount and for good reason. A few forgers have tried to replicate this slow and shaky signature style -- it's a lot easier to pull off than his prime signature, which was fluid and elegant. The rover pose has much better signatures; these were signed before Young's medical issues. However many of them offered by Walden have touch ups where the paint pen skipped. I believe the touch ups were done by Young. Ironically, for a guy that supposedly did not like signing autographs, he was finnicky about the signatures looking nice. I suspect these rover shots are "seconds" that Walden obtained from another source that conducted a signing, but I do not have confirmation of that. |
hbw60
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posted 03-22-2021 11:16 AM
Thanks so much for the information, Steve! That makes a lot of sense. I bought my rover photo back in December, and I sent it to you for verification. So I was confident it was authentic. But I was curious why that particular photo looks so great, while all of his others look shaky.I wasn't aware of his health problems later in life, so that's sad to hear. I have an Apollo 16 insurance cover from Young's collection that really demonstrates the change. The pre-launch signature on the front looks gorgeous. The recent certification signature on the back is one of the worst I've seen from him. Personally, I don't mind ugly-looking autographs, because a lot of famous people just have messy signatures anyway. To me, it's just special to know that someone I admire signed it. But it's always much worse when the signature is bad because the signer was in poor health. I don't like looking at a signature and knowing that signing it likely caused the person physical pain. By the way, if anyone is interested in purchasing Young's autograph from the source mentioned above, be sure to check out the "Discounts" tab first. It'll save you $30 or so. |
MartinAir
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posted 03-22-2021 11:32 AM
Very insightful, thumbs up for the info. |
MartinAir
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posted 03-25-2021 05:30 PM
Are these genuine are autopen Apollo 16 crew signatures? The description reads hand signed, but I think otherwise. |
Greggy_D
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posted 03-25-2021 06:47 PM
Autopen. |
hbw60
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posted 03-25-2021 06:50 PM
I'm 100% certain these are autopen signatures. Here are their autopen patterns laid over the photo. All three are a perfect match. |
fredtrav
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posted 03-26-2021 08:22 AM
Definitely autopen. |
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