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Topic: 183383089495: Neil Armstrong signed litho
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Panther494
Member Posts: 402
From: London UK
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 08-23-2018 01:28 PM
   
eBay item 183383089495 has $900 bidding on a Neil Armstrong signed lithograph at the moment. Just looks so wrong.
The same seller has Michael Collins and Buzz Aldrin listed as well. All come with a COA. Not convinced, in the slightest. |
Panther494
Member Posts: 402
From: London UK
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 08-23-2018 05:46 PM
Well, it achieved 45 bids and $1275! |
Mike Dixon
Member Posts: 1397
From: Kew, Victoria, Australia
Registered: May 2003
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posted 08-23-2018 06:34 PM
Junk... all of them. |
Jonnyed
Member Posts: 396
From: Dumfries, VA, USA
Registered: Aug 2014
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posted 08-23-2018 07:45 PM
Noted that the seller was located in Moscow and that the inscription on the Neil lithograph reads, "With Best of Luck," which almost seems to be something a non-English native might try... don't you think most of us native English speakers would just write "Best of luck" if we were going to use that inscription at all? Adding the "with" kind of gives it away as suspect and odd. (And didn't Neil only wish luck to Mr. Gorsky [grin])?(I'm not a detective but I play one on TV.) |
Ianhetho
Member Posts: 109
From: Bogangar NSW Australia
Registered: May 2018
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posted 08-24-2018 04:40 AM
Yes it definitely looks suspect.I was going to bid for it as an example of a fake for my Autopen collection, but then the bids went mad. First up the signature goes through the flag, I thought it was common knowledge that Armstrong never did this. Maybe a rare example. Thoughts? |
Panther494
Member Posts: 402
From: London UK
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 08-24-2018 04:53 AM
Just de-faced a collectable WSS litho.I agree with the comments regarding the wording but also the "Apollo 11" written underneath. I don't recall seeing that before. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 42988
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-24-2018 05:21 AM
There are authentic examples of Armstrong-signed NASA lithos where he has added the "Apollo 11" inscription below his autograph. For example, this one sold by RR Auction in September 2017. There are also examples where he added a flourish under "Apollo 11."But the autograph in question is not authentic. quote:
Originally posted by Ianhetho:
...signature goes through the flag
The "flag test," though generally true for all of Armstrong's autographs, was specifically a way to identify a particular style forgery sold by Peachstate Historical Consulting. There are authentic examples of Armstrong's signature that touch the flag, and he even signed physical flags, so the "test" should not be used alone to discredit an autograph. |
Steve Zarelli
Member Posts: 731
From: Upstate New York, USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 08-24-2018 07:55 AM
It's not unusual to see an "Apollo 11" inscription on Armstrong signed lithos from around the time of the mission. However, they become much less common on examples from after the early 70s. I would assume that he added it less frequently as his mail requests escalated (or he simply wanted to spend less time signing photos.)The piece in question is undoubtedly fake junk. |
spaced out
Member Posts: 3110
From: Paris, France
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 08-24-2018 12:16 PM
I find myself in the unusual position of having to disagree with Steve's assessment of this one.In my opinion this is not 'fake junk' - this is genuine, 100% pure, grade A junk.  |
mjanovec
Member Posts: 3811
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 08-24-2018 03:46 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Panther494:
Just de-faced a collectable WSS litho.
Arguably, it was already defaced by the postage stamp and the cancellation marks.I never quite understood the practice of trying to turn lithos into philatelic collectibles. |
p51
Member Posts: 1642
From: Olympia, WA
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 08-24-2018 04:22 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
...so the "test" should not be used alone to discredit an autograph.
True. A pal of mine (who isn't even a space collector) personally got Armstrong to sign a litho in the 80s, he even has a photo of him doing so, and the signature goes into the flag. I assume that if he ever posted it here, many would say it's a fake. |
Mike Dixon
Member Posts: 1397
From: Kew, Victoria, Australia
Registered: May 2003
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posted 08-24-2018 07:13 PM
The flag test is a pretty decent indicator, The truth is (of course) the signature first and foremost. |
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