Posts: 2 From: Newport Beach, CA Registered: Mar 2017
posted 08-08-2017 09:59 PM
My father, Robert (Bob) J. Parks was one of the foremost pioneers in unmanned space. I have some amazing memorabilia including original photos, flown items, plans, and mission related items. I also have a hand signed letter by six original astronauts that spent the day with my dad in preparation for their 1st missions. I wanted to get them appraised for insurance and personal reasons but am not sure where to start. We live in Southern California. Can anyone provide a referral?
My dad started his career after Caltech working with Wernher von Braun in White Sands, New Mexico on the Corporal and Sargent missiles. He them managed virtually all of JPL's unmanned space missions from the 1950s to the 1980s. He directed the first soft landing on the moon (Surveyor 1), the first mission to another planet (Mariner) and the Voyagers. When he retired he was Deputy Director of JPL. Here is a film JPL/NASA did on him:
posted 08-08-2017 11:14 PM
Wow! Thanks for the great video. From bow tie to skinny tie to no tie retirement; it looks like "Spock" was quite a character and instrumental in the success of the early US space program. You must be very proud of him!
Am not a registered appraiser but assuming that you have his various paper 8x10 certificates and commendations, employee badges, his 10 year, 20 year, etc. gold JPL award pins, his retirement ceremony photo notebook, along with all that you have mentioned; am guessing that collection together could be worth well above a quarter million depending on the actual spacecraft artifacts and flown items.
Now if you could talk someone into a book deal about his fabulous life testing rockets with the Army and von Braun in New Mexico and then moving over to the Jet Propulsion Lab in SoCal, that above dollar amount number would be dwarfed.
Best of luck and thanks for posting here at collectSPACE.
spaced out Member
Posts: 3110 From: Paris, France Registered: Aug 2003
posted 08-09-2017 01:47 AM
Firstly, John, welcome to collectSPACE. Sounds like your father did great work for the space program.
Secondly, Cozmosis22: A quarter million? Whaaat?
The collections of most long term NASA employees (including management), including all certificates, commendations, awards, badges, pins, photos, and a few shuttle flown flags are worth a few hundred dollars at most, maybe $1,000+ if they have more than the average number of flags.
If they were lucky enough to get some Apollo flown flags, which was really very rare even for those who worked from Mercury through Apollo, then the number can go up into the few thousands. Throw in an Apollo 11 flown flag (extremely rare) and you're into a few tens of thousands.
Even some of the astronauts (particularly post-Apollo) would struggle to reach a quarter million for their collections!
neo1022 Member
Posts: 281 From: Santa Monica, CA Registered: Jun 2013
posted 08-09-2017 04:55 AM
Unless, of course, you're the guy who sold the Apollo 13 flown checklist at the last Sotheby's auction. More than a quarter million for one item...
Gonzo Member
Posts: 596 From: Lansing, MI, USA Registered: Mar 2012
posted 08-09-2017 05:48 AM
As said earlier, Welcome!
You'll find there's some really smart and helpful people here. Great place for info.
That being said though, you do need to have it appraised. As I think you've gathered, the monetary value will depend on what you have. Personal items tend to have lower values because they are personal. For example, signed photos are worth more with just the autograph. If they were signed addressed to someone ("Best of luck, John! And the signature), that tends to distract from the value if/when sold.
But for what you have, while you're looking for monetary value for insurance purposes, I would think the personal/sentimental value would far exceed the street prices.
fredtrav Member
Posts: 1673 From: Birmingham AL Registered: Aug 2010
posted 08-09-2017 01:06 PM
Hi John and welcome. I have to echo what Chris (spaced out) said. Unless you have some complete flown checklists, a watch, some pieces of the manned spacecraft after flight, flown Robbins medallions, silver Snoopy awards, moon landed items, the collection, while deeply sentimental to you is not worth what one other here said. If you have a complete collection of flown Apollo flags from 7-17, it will be worth in the tens of thousands.
I would catalog the collection, especially flown items and flags and other flown items, and then post it here and some opinions can be given. I do not know anyone who could appraise it unfortunately.
And thanks for posting the video. I enjoyed watching that. Good luck.
posted 08-09-2017 02:06 PM
As mentioned, it depends a bit on what flown items and actual physical artifacts are included. Taking into account the historic nature of the person involved here those items are likely quite interesting.
Well, we're taking about the totality of a lifetime collection as kept intact and the estimated value is for insurance purposes. This is an example of a situation where the total is greater than the sum of its parts.
Regarding relative dollar amount, ever watched "Treehouse Masters" or "The Pool Master" on The Animal Planet TV channel? People regularly spend upwards of 200 thousand for luxuries like an elaborate backyard treehouse.
Joel Katzowitz Member
Posts: 808 From: Marietta GA USA Registered: Dec 1999
posted 08-09-2017 03:47 PM
There are a number of honest and knowledgable appraisers out there. Personally speaking, one of the best is Ken Havekotte and he is a frequent visitor to collectSPACE.
Ken Havekotte Member
Posts: 2914 From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard Registered: Mar 2001
posted 08-09-2017 05:03 PM
First off, thanks for the plug Joel as I do appreciate your kind remarks in the above posting.
I just completed a space appraisal visit this afternoon on the Florida Space Coast and have done countless others since the Apollo era (altogether probably hundreds by now in all categories since the 1970s).
Secondly, for John, yes I know about your father, Robert J. Parks, from my early space age collecting years.
Your dad has always been very kind to me when writing letters to him at JPL. As a teenager, and later in my early 20's, I would ask questions and request of him autographs for my own space probe collection of signed Ranger, Surveyor, Mariner and Voyager photos and cachet postal covers.
One of my all-time favorite space memorabilia pieces, John, came from your father as well. When he was the Assistant JPL Director for Lunar and Planetary Projects in Dec. 1962, he gifted an original Mariner II telemetry strip of letters and numbers all crunched-up together to another space collector, of which later, I was able to acquire from him.
Of course you can't make any sense of the message whatsoever, but what it represented — in it's original paper content — was proof of a transmitted telemetry message that Mariner II had achieved the first successful planetary encounter of a robotic space probe!
That historic space feat took place on Dec. 14, 1962, when the NASA planetary spacecraft got within 22,000 miles of Venus. Much of it was made possible by the leadership of "Spock," — Robert J. Parks, along with the entire JPL team.
If I can be of any assistance or help to you, John, in any way, just let me know and how is your dad doing these days?
SpaceAholic Member
Posts: 4437 From: Sierra Vista, Arizona Registered: Nov 1999
posted 08-09-2017 05:50 PM
Alternatively reaching out to an auction house like RR Auction for appraisals (if you are entertaining sale of the collection) should be considered. They can offer proximate appraisals often times without even having to send the items in.
johnparks New Member
Posts: 2 From: Newport Beach, CA Registered: Mar 2017
posted 08-09-2017 10:47 PM
Thank you all so much for your kind advice and suggestions. Ken, it makes me happy that my Dad was nice to you. He was so unassuming. Not one to take credit. We'd often see him interviewed on TV and he wouldn't even tell us about it.
For me I have many items I'd never part with, but I also have boxes of other stuff that may be of interest to some collectors.
I will post some photos of stuff to share. Thank you again.
JBoe Member
Posts: 960 From: Churchton, MD Registered: Oct 2012
posted 08-10-2017 06:57 AM
John, thank you for sharing such a wonderful, moving tribute of your father. I'd be interested in your process or finding a way in appraising your treasured artifacts as well as insuring them.