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Mike_The_First
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posted 11-22-2014 04:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Check out eBay item 231399164074.

They took one of the Apollo 11 "contains flown metal" footprint pins, shaved some metal off the side, and are selling it as "METAL SHAVINGS contains APOLLO 11 Command Module metal flown to/orbited the moon".

Are we seriously at a point where collectors are clamoring for this stuff so much that people need to destroy collectibles like that footprint pin so someone can buy metal shavings that contain metal that contained metal from the Apollo 11 CM?

As a collector, I don't know what angers me more about this — the fact that they destroyed a footprint pin for the sake of trying to make more money or that the amount of flown metal the purchaser would be getting (if any) is likely negligible at best.

What do y'all think?

SpaceAholic
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posted 11-22-2014 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Folks have been cracking open lucites and destroying/dismantling otherwise perfectly good space artifacts for profit for many years now. Nothing new here.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 11-22-2014 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mike_The_First:
the fact that they destroyed a footprint pin...
While I agree it is ridiculous, don't feel so bad for the loss of the pin. There were 20,120 produced.

Also, the flown metal content is from an Apollo command module that flew to the moon, not necessarily Apollo 11's Columbia.

Here's what really doesn't make sense: one of these shavings presentations sold recently for $6.50. You can buy the entire pin on eBay for $7.50 (one seller alone has offered and sold more than 400 of them at that price).

Mike_The_First
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posted 11-22-2014 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
While I agree it is ridiculous, don't feel so bad for the loss of the pin. There were 20,120 produced.
That there were so many produced is just all the more reason that this is so disappointing — it's not rare. Just buy a bunch of 'em and sell 'em — no need to destroy anything.

Plus, that's also my other point: with over 20,000 made, the amount of flown metal in each will be fairly negligible, as you're getting less than 1/20,000 of whatever piece of metal went into them (assuming equal distribution).

If they give you the shavings of even 1/50 of a pin (which, let's face it, is pretty generous), then (again, assuming equal distribution), you just bought less than 1/1,000,000 of whatever flown metal went into them.

But the thing is, people buy them because they don't know better. Their target isn't the savvy collector, but, rather, the hobbyist who sees cheap metal shavings flown to the moon and doesn't know enough or think it through to look into what they're actually buying.

The seller isn't exactly up front about those fractions or how common the original pin is (use of the word "obtained" generally causes people to think "rare").

Not to mention that the provenance is dead and we're supposed to just assume that we're getting metal from the pin at all.

I'm just waiting for someone to take the shavings, make a limited run "contains flown metal" coin, then someone else to take the coin and shave metal off it.

Although I will give them that it's a pretty good investment, because of their 60 day, no questions asked, 110% money back guarantee, where they'll refund your money + 10% for any reason within 60 days.

Can't get much better in this hobby than an instantaneous 10% return on investment — that actually makes these shavings a better short term investment than the pins themselves.

One Big Monkey
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posted 11-23-2014 03:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for One Big Monkey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The other day I saw one of the complete bootprint pins on ebay for about 3 times its normal retail sale price.

It's a shame that there are people happy to exploit those who aren't prepared to either read the small print or do some basic research and price comparisons.

Mike_The_First
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posted 11-23-2014 04:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike_The_First   Click Here to Email Mike_The_First     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At a certain point, the buyer earns whatever "deal" they get.

Sellers will always look to maximize profits by listing for the highest price that they think they can get. Just look at the Buzz Aldrin signed book market for proof of that.

Unless a seller is purposely misleading in their listing, such as implying a piece is rarer than it is (I actually found a guy on eBay trying to sell a personalized, signed copy of Charlie Duke's book "Moonwalker" for over a hundred dollars as "rare" and took him to task for it), they have every right to list at as high a price as they want and we have every right to laugh at them for being so stupid in setting a price that high.

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