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Liembo
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posted 03-03-2014 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liembo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just wanted to say thank you for everyone's opinions on the matter here, it's nice to hear so many people weigh in and give their thoughts on the matter, suggestions for recourse, and even thoughts on how to discuss future occurrences of this type on the forums (a two week grace period).

Thank you and happy hunting, — liem

Liembo
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posted 03-05-2014 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liembo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well golly, gee. There it is again (261416148258).

Funny, considering the seller told me, "This was given to me by my grandma and was never meant to be sold."

Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-05-2014 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Liem, I just spoke to someone at eBay. He strongly suggested you call them, explain the situation (as I did, recounting as you've described here) and file a claim against the seller.

I was told specifically that in doing so the seller's current auction will be ended and that if the seller does not complete the transaction as originally reached on eBay, then there will be ramifications.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 03-05-2014 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dog must have knocked it out of the cabinet again. Maybe the dog accidentally listed it as well and added a few extra zeros.

Mike Dixon
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posted 03-05-2014 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dixon   Click Here to Email Mike Dixon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The dog also listed $75 as the intnl. shipping fee. I was almost gonna buy it until I saw that

BlueHalo
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posted 03-06-2014 02:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueHalo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe the zero feedback bidder will buy it? LOL.

It's funny how Chris' website information on the Apollo 11 Crew Patch suddenly showed up in the description of the new auction listing. But with a buy-it-now price like that, it would actually be cheaper to just buy it directly from Farthest Reaches for $750 or from Astronaut Central for $395.

crash
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posted 03-06-2014 03:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for crash   Click Here to Email crash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robert, that's great news. I am pleased to see that you were able to use your 'influence' to make eBay see the immorality of this seller and take same action. The seller's audacity to give a sob-story and then put it straight back onto eBay is unbelievable.

Liembo, you must follow this up now that Robert has lit the path ahead. Go get your patch!

Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-06-2014 03:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I actually didn't use any special influence at all: I called eBay like any other of its members, explained that I was not the seller but was concerned for one of our readers, described the situation and asked to know specifically their policies for handling such a situation.

I was prepared to use other "tools in the shed" if the reply was that they couldn't discuss an auction that wasn't mine or that I didn't bid on, but it wasn't necessary.

eBay's customer service rep took interest in what I was saying, though he couldn't act on my report alone. Perhaps I just lucked upon the right person, but there was no question that what the seller did was against eBay's policies.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 03-06-2014 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's clear that if someone did try to buy it out from under the original winner, it backfired in their face. They just alerted the seller who then decided to milk it for all it was worth.

Or maybe some misguided "do-gooder" took it upon themselves to educate the seller because they were too lazy to do it themselves.

In either case, as Jeremy wisely pointed out earlier in this thread, if you are not the buyer or seller, and the material isn't counterfeit, the best policy is to not meddle in matters that don't involve you.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-06-2014 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Zarelli:
...the best policy is to not meddle in matters that don't involve you.
I don't think there is anything wrong with alerting a seller to the potential value of what they have before any bids are placed. At worst, you might be depriving someone who may have gotten a steal, but you're not interfering in any active transactions.

Contacting the seller after bids have been placed and the auction is still active is questionable and probably ill advised, unless you are (or will be) the leading bidder and are prepared to pay the higher value you're suggesting.

Reaching out to a seller after an auction has closed in order to inform them of the mistake they just made serves no other purpose than interfering with a completed contract to sell the item. At best, you're rubbing in someone's mistake; at worst, you are sabotaging someone's purchase (as was the case here).

Liembo
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posted 03-06-2014 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liembo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's still not a lot eBay is willing to do. They stated without any sort of commitment that they can investigate the seller for a pattern of this behavior, but that's about it. My only course of action was to leave negative feedback (hard to explain the situation in such a small amount of characters!).

Grandma needs a new pair of $3500 shoes I guess.

moorouge
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posted 03-06-2014 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not an expert in US law, but I'm fairly certain that in the UK a contract is a contract and that action could be taken through the civil courts.

In this case, as I understand it, the contract was to buy a patch at a given price. The fact that the seller then opted to withdraw after the price was agreed is a breach of that contract.

In this country we have the Small Claims Court. Is there anything similar in the US?

Liembo
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posted 03-06-2014 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liembo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Small claims would be great if I wasn't at the opposite side of the continent. It would best be served in their local city/county. Maybe I should arrange a trip to the Cape and Disney World. )

mach3valkyrie
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posted 03-06-2014 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mach3valkyrie   Click Here to Email mach3valkyrie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The listing was ended by the seller at 9:58:33 PST on 6 March 2014. "Item is no longer available."

There were no bids.

JasonIUP
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posted 03-06-2014 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JasonIUP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Depending on state law, you may be able to use your state courts to get jurisdiction over him using a long arm statute. Call an attorney that does civil work and ask.

Liembo
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posted 04-10-2014 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liembo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, not to beat a dead horse, but here's that same patch on Craigslist: 1 | 2


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