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Kevin T. Randall
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posted 10-14-2013 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this is the first example of one of these STS-53 DoD, 'Lone Star' or 'Death Star' mission patches to be listed on eBay. Dose anyone know who manufactured these patches, how many were produced, and for who? Many thanks.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 10-14-2013 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is there any reason to suspect this is not just an invention by the seller?

The seller has a number of fantasy (e.g. the "launch team" STS-135 patch) and unauthorized knockoff (e.g. one of Tim Gagnon's STS-62A designs) patches for sale.

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 10-14-2013 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've known about this patch for about a year or so, and I have two images of two other examples of this same patch. This eBay listed one (I would say looking at all three), is almost identical to the other two images I have, which came from an independent source.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 10-14-2013 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, but is there anything to suggest this isn't a fantasy patch? It would seem odd that a seller dealing in mostly fakes would have a rarity to offer...

JBoe
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posted 10-14-2013 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JBoe   Click Here to Email JBoe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looking at the original design, it looks like the one star in the "Lone Star" or "Death Star" patch on eBay could have been left over from the star in the flag of the official design. I believe this is a "fantasy" or alternative design. Usually "sensitive" or classified missions wouldn't use an official design and a separate patch design would be issued, correct?

p51
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posted 10-14-2013 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51   Click Here to Email p51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've also been told by a friend of mine in Florida law enforcement that some of their cop patches are fantasy patches as well, if that makes any difference.

I agree, this would be a strong indictation that the patch in question is also a fantasy one...

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 10-14-2013 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We hope to have an answer sometime soon, as Robert has e-mailed Jim Voss asking him if he knows anything about this version of the STS-53 mission patch. If we don't hear from Jim then Robert will e-mail Bob Cabana.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 10-14-2013 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JBoe:
Usually "sensitive" or classified missions wouldn't use an official design...
There are examples of the crew emblem art being modified for the DoD version. For example, there is the STS-38 "secret" patch, which reversed the color layout.

As Kevin wrote, I have contacted Voss in hopes of confirming (or dispelling) the STS-53 patch as being official.

Joel Katzowitz
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posted 10-14-2013 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joel Katzowitz   Click Here to Email Joel Katzowitz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just as a point of interest, the STS-53 crew nicked named themselves "The Dogs of War". That mission was the last DoD shuttle mission flown.

Several members of that original crew reunited for STS-69 and called themselves "The Dog Crew II". And again some resurfaced for STS-88 and called themselves "The Stealth Dog Crew III".

Robert Pearlman
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posted 10-15-2013 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jim Voss replied:
I have never seen this version of our patch. We never did an alternate version. The version with the US flag in the middle of the patch is the only one we did. It was designed by Brandon Clifford, the son of my crew mate Rich Clifford.

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 10-15-2013 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many thanks for this information Robert.

p51
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posted 10-15-2013 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51   Click Here to Email p51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Isn't it great that Robert can get to the bottom of things like this? Thanks for checking for all of us!

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 10-21-2013 01:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Despite that information this patch still sold for $70.00 with 7 bids from 5 bidders.
I wonder how many more of these patches this seller has?

BlueHalo
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posted 11-03-2013 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueHalo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did anyone notice that another seller has a decal of that DoD patch for sale?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 11-03-2013 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a print-on-demand sale (you can select the size) so clearly just someone trying to benefit from the interest in the earlier questionable patch sale.

mach3valkyrie
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posted 11-11-2013 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mach3valkyrie   Click Here to Email mach3valkyrie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin T. Randall:
I wonder how many more of these patches this seller has?
The original seller has listed another patch for sale with a starting price of $9.00.

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