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Besixdouze
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From: Hebden Bridge, West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
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posted 04-24-2013 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Besixdouze   Click Here to Email Besixdouze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
281097895104: SpaceX Dragon - Commercial Orbital Transporiation Services C1 Patch.

Deliberate misspelling to generate interest or what?

Jim Behling
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posted 04-24-2013 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Behling   Click Here to Email Jim Behling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, just an honest mistake.

Besixdouze
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posted 04-24-2013 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Besixdouze   Click Here to Email Besixdouze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most likely.

p51
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posted 04-24-2013 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51   Click Here to Email p51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree it's wasn't intentional.

Beats me how this guy gets away with not only making copies of the 'Snoopy' patches but even reproducing the copyright info from the original designs as well.

Jim Behling
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posted 04-24-2013 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Behling   Click Here to Email Jim Behling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those aren't copies. They are from an estate sale and other cS members.

p51
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posted 04-24-2013 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51   Click Here to Email p51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Really? Consistently brand-new patches (many of which nobody else has for sale) that sell and exact copies of the patches get re-listed immediately again? How many estate sales did this guy stumble across?

spaced out
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posted 04-25-2013 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do believe most of his stock comes from a large estate sale buy.

I personally bought a single lot from the Al Bishop estate some time ago via one of the space auctions. This lot consisted of 5 full bankers boxes and much of the content was patches.

There were around 10 to 25 examples of most of the patches but even more of certain designs.

Glint
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posted 04-25-2013 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glint   Click Here to Email Glint     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Same seller has an identical patch currently listed as 221218562846, which doesn't have the typo.

Glint
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posted 04-25-2013 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glint   Click Here to Email Glint     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've used this dealer before. I've spot checked some of his offerings and they are exactly like patches I've obtained directly from original sources of the item.

For example, take a look at this patch from the seller and compare it to this rather shoddy replica from another seller. Notice in the latter the lack of detail and the thick border all the way around the tabs.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-27-2013 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The seller may be selling some original patches (and I have purchased from him before) but some of his patches are not authentic.

His SpaceX CRS-1 patch, for example, is not the style released by SpaceX, either as part of the set they sold in 2012 or distributed to employees. The colors are wrong, as is the stitching.

His Snoopy patches appear to be knock-offs as well. At least a few are replicas of designs that NASA only issued as a decal.

Other patches are clearly modern replicas. His STS-6 IUS patch is a good example.

Now, it may be that he's purchased these replicas from another collector and is reselling them, having had no part in their creation, but don't assume the patches are original.

Gonzo
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posted 04-28-2013 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gonzo   Click Here to Email Gonzo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I too have watched his listings. He is consistently overpriced and questionable on what he has to offer. I've seen him list many patches, particular the SCA patches, as "originals" when they are clearly from at least the second run. (They made a change in the font after the first run.) So, I too agree that his sources are questionable. As such, I've refused to be pulled into his listings. I may look at them, but I refuse to buy from him for these reasons.

JBoe
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posted 04-29-2013 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JBoe   Click Here to Email JBoe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree, the prices are somewhat inflated. The jury is still out as the whether or not these patches are reproductions, replicas, or unauthorized. There is some similiarities to his activities with that of Randy Hunt as described in previous postings. If a particular patch was deemed popular or vintage original one day, then the next a multitude would show up for sale which could be suspicious.

Gonzo
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posted 04-30-2013 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gonzo   Click Here to Email Gonzo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Case in point - EB 281099075220

Considering the rarity of finding a REAL SpaceX authorized CRS-2 patch (there's only one known of in Europe that Chris/spacpatches.nl has a picture of via a connection with SpaceX itself) the seller has 8 (yes, eight with 12 already sold) of them listed with a Buy Now price of $16.50US + $2.00 shipping. No where does he state these are replicas, just that they are in "mint" condition. While he doesn't say so, these I believe, would have to be replicas. From where? Your guess is as good as mine!

BMckay
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posted 04-30-2013 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BMckay   Click Here to Email BMckay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
According to an email:
Are these direct from SpaceX or another company?

Hello, I'm really not sure... I got them from a 3rd party... they are not direct from SpaceX.

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